[RussP]

I’ll say the same thing to you that I said to someone else a couple of posts ago.

Please see my posts #78-80, and quit making such a fool of yourself.

Isaac Newton, Lord Kelvin, and Loius Pasteur, among many other truly *great* scientists believed in intelligent design and announced it proudly. For you to come along and call ID a fraud is the epitome of ignorance and foolishness. You should be embarrassed.

[omnivore]

Darwin was trained for the clergy too, why not throw him in? None of the scientists you quote, despite their religiousity, ever managed to elucidate a direct link between the supernatural and the natural world either. So turn the point around. If neither Newton, nor Thompson (Lord Kelvin), nor Pasteur, nor Darwin (nor Einstein, for that matter), could ever figure out how to jam God's Active Hand into their equations, I'm really doubting anybody at the Discovery Institute is going to do it either.

Of course the universe is awesome and inspires awe. Who could disagree with that. And I have no problem attributing the awesomeness and beauty of the world around me to God.

But "ID," the "Intelligent Design" theory pushed by Discovery Institute, is indeed a fraud. It went to court. It lost. Read about it in Monkey Girl or Forty Days and Forty Nights. To defend such a fraud is what is foolishness.