Posted on 05/30/2007 10:04:56 AM PDT by Between the Lines
O ye of little faith.
Don't hold back, tell me how you really feel. After all it is all about feelings, what is right for the child is irrelevant.
Do you have any gay children? If not, then what you think you would or wouldn't do in this case is just speculation and irrelevant. It is amazing how pious one can be when they themselves have not been tested.
But do please enlighten me as to what you would have done and if you can, do try not to make it sound like a leftist gay pamphlet on the subject.
This should be interesting.
“The paernts are the mother and whoever donated the sperm.”
Biologically, yes. Legally, no.
Somewhat off topic (A mini-hijacking of the thread!)
Medical science is already making so much of this type of arguement moot.
From The Baltimore Sun, May 17, 2007 (excerpt)...
A baby conceived from an egg donated by one woman and implanted in another may have no mother at all under Maryland law, the state’s highest court ruled yesterday.
Issued more than four years after the matter was brought to the Court of Appeals, the 4-3 opinion creates blank spaces under “mother” in the birth certificates of twins born in 2001 at Holy Cross Hospital in Silver Spring.
The man who arranged for the children to be born from his sperm and donated eggs, and the woman with whom he arranged to carry them, brought the case. The two wanted it made clear that she had no legal claims or responsibility for the children.
(Snip)
“What had not been fathomed exists today,” Chief Judge Robert M. Bell wrote for the majority. “The methods by which people can produce children have changed.”
The ruling is pioneering because of its basis on the state’s Equal Rights Amendment: The court found that paternity laws apply equally to men and women.
(End of Excerpt)
An attorney friend of mine states rulings such as this chances leading to “gestating” literally becoming much more of a “for profit” industry - since there will be no chance the “gestation/birth” mother will ever be considered the “legal” mother and, therefore, have no responsibility for the child. We shall see.
We told each of our boys at a young age about the adoptions and this has made our family stronger. Our boys know they were wanted and chosen. They would have figured out the adoption themselves anyway since they resemble their biological mother's family and don't look like my wife and me at all.
I'm happy that you were able to adopt as well. I'm sure you have found it as fulfilling as me or you wouldn't have done it four times.
Actually it has nothing to do with gay or straight in this case. It is simply a matter of a parent who is so much of a control freak as to deprive thier own child of the joy of parenthood. Your daughter would have been justified in moving away from you, birthing a beautiful child, and never even telling you about it. What really steames me is the self satisfied undertone you use when you tell your agonizing story. My prayers are with your daughter and the rest of your family whom I presume you have bullied as well.
Your daughter would have been justified in moving away from you, birthing a beautiful child, and never even telling you about it.
The fact that she and I are very close testifies that you are wrong about me.
What really steames me is the self satisfied undertone you use when you tell your agonizing story.
No, what really steams you is that not everyone buys into the idea of gay families and that some bonehead bigoted person like me was in a position to thwart one little part of your gay agenda.
However, I doubt that other grandchildren would be celebrated in such a emphatic manner.
Yes, the woman is doing what an aunt or a family friend who lives with the mother might do. Yes, she is parenting, but she represents a whole new kind of social relationship and it is a relationship I think immoral. What bothers me the most is that some are now saying that I ought not to say that it is immprtal, that I have no right to say this.
You do not know anything about me to be making such disparaging remarks about my character.
I know that you dont think your daughter can be a good mother because of some silly predjudice so you decided for her that she will not be one.
The fact that she and I are very close testifies that you are wrong about me.
I’d love to know what she thinks about that statement.
No, what really steams you is that not everyone buys into the idea of gay families and that some bonehead bigoted person like me was in a position to thwart one little part of your gay agenda.
I said nothing about gay families...the only family I was discussing was yours.
I’ll bet you would have loved that baby...sorry you will never get the chance but I’m even more sorry for your daughter.
Yes, it has been amazing. But i adopted a sibling set of four (the girls came first — planned — and then one year later, the boys — not planned by me, only God).
So I’m keeping them altogether and life is awesome.
They are not the parents.
All that fake artifical donor stuff does not make parents.
I do have to wonder what these people have to say to the countless adopted children out there. All the ones that are now in good, loving homes. I’d love to see them go up to a friend of mine and try to tell her the kid she fought so hard to adopt and loves with all her heart isn’t hers just because she didn’t give birth to him.
Imagine a white hot knife, the largest knife you’ve ever held. Now, imagine someone stabbing you with that blade, then twisting it violently before ripping it out.
A little melodramatic don't you think. My daughter hates drama queens.
That’s what it feels like to a child every time they hear ‘I love you, but not what you do.’
BS. If loving a person is conditional to approving all of their actions then you could never really love anyone, because it is impossible to be in complete agreement with every action. Unconditional love requires us to separate the person from their actions.
I would bet your daughter cries that her parents would make such a hate filled statement to her.
I have no doubt that she agonized and cried over this. But she is a big girl and able to defend herself. In all of the negative posts to me about this, not one even hinted at what would be best for the child or how the child will feel growing up with two mommies. No, every single one of them dealt with only how my daughter or how they themselves felt.
My concerns were only for an unborn child, yours is only for the right to do whatever we want with no thought for consequences.
Hmmm...
Maybe The White House has listened to Howard Stern:
“Lesbians mean big ratings!!!”
What's that to you? Why is that any of your damned business?
My comment:
“Fact is, two lesbians are going to raise a child that will have instilled in him that homosexuality is a normal and accepted lifestyle.”
Your reply:
“What’s that to you? Why is that any of your damned business?”
My reply, to your reply:
HOMOSEXUALITY IS A DEVIANT, IMMORAL LIFESTYLE! Boom!
So what? There's a lot of "deviant" things that consenting adults do. Why is it any of your damned business what they do?
I sense hostility, anger and a bit of emotional distress.
Normalizing such behavior as is the case with the Cheny’s, causes young people to become deceived into thinking this behavior is ok, natural and accepted.
It is not.
Homosexual behaviors lead to social decay just as drugs, pedophilia, adultery and do forth.
Someone like the Vice President should keep such things under wraps within his household, not promoting it as a social norm.
For instance, would you care if our next president was someone who engaged in polygamy at one time? Even though he does not practice it now, he still is an open supporter of polygamy.
In fact, at a commencement speech full of young people, hints to the crowd that taking on two wives is really ok and that society will soon accept the practice, so be diligent and keep up the good work!
That’s absurd. The same goes with two homosexuals getting married and raising a child.......breeds social decay.
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