[Unam Sanctam]

“If you pay a penalty, it is not amnesty.” Wrong. Offering a pathway to citizenship is amnesty. Therefore it is not a compromise.

This makes no sense. You do not address the issue. Since a penalty is paid, it is not amnesty, which means the absence of any penalty.

Do you have any idea where the trillions of dollars this will cost come from? Hint: The taxpayer.

The taxpayer will always have to pay for the funding of any public services, just as they would pay for massive deportation and enforcement. Those with provisional Z visas are required to work. If they do not, they lose their status.

The public is overwhelmingly against this bill. The numbers of people who are against it is growing every day.

In a representative democracy, the elected legislators are to use their best judgment for the common good. If the voters don't agree, they can vote them out at the next election. Also, polling results depend on how the question is phrased, by the way, so I don't think they necessarily mean much.

Tighten border security, have strict workplace enforcement and the illegals will self deport. This has been proven time and time again to work. Whenever there’s a raid on a company...the local shanty towns are vacated overnight.

The bill takes practical measures to heighten border security and improve the employment identification system. But of course opponents would prefer to do nothing at all to improve enforcement and remain with the broken down status quo.

The bill provides for 60+million to emigrate under the family plan.

No, the bill provides that the backlog of family-based petitions THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FILED be resolved within a period of years. Going forward, family based immigration is much more restrictive than at present. But of course opponents never mention that.

The whorehouse admits to 20+ million here illegally.

If you're not going to deport them, then it is better to legalize and assimilate those currently illegally in the country. Those like George Will who are comfortable with the status quo of a large underclass of illegals are not practical and are undermining the rule of law.

[couch1971]

“The taxpayer will always have to pay for the funding of any public services, just as they would pay for massive deportation and enforcement. Those with provisional Z visas are required to work. If they do not, they lose their status.”

Again you are assuming the the bureaucracy that cannot handle immigration NOW will suddenly be able to do it after this bill is signed.

“The bill takes practical measures to heighten border security and improve the employment identification system. But of course opponents would prefer to do nothing at all to improve enforcement and remain with the broken down status quo.”

Again you are assuming the the bureaucracy that cannot handle immigration NOW will suddenly be able to do it after this bill is signed.

I would go on repeating this but what is the point. This didn't’t work in ‘86, and it won’t work now. We will be in the same situation in only 10 years this time, as those wishing to come here know it will be far easier to ‘skate’ their way in.

[dennisw]

The taxpayer will always have to pay for the funding of any public services, just as they would pay for massive deportation and enforcement. Those with provisional Z visas are required to work. If they do not, they lose their status.

And then what happens? Are they rounded up, deported or prosecuted? Hell no, they will join the ranks of the illegal aliens who refuse to get a Z VISA

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>But of course opponents would prefer to do nothing at all to improve enforcement and remain with the broken down status quo.<<

I guess if you went to the doctor with belly pains and he said he had to implant some hemorrhoids in you to cure it you would say that we have to do something, so go ahead. If I were to write a satire of a bad immigration bill, it would look like the real one they are trying to impose on us. Pathetic.