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HillaryCare Blooms - All the Democratic health plans spurn market-based reforms
The Wall Street Journal ^ | June 2, 2007

Posted on 06/02/2007 6:28:51 AM PDT by Zakeet

The HillaryCare experiment ended badly in 1994, but Democrats are back in the universal health-care laboratory. All the party's major Presidential candidates have or will introduce plans, and last week Hillary Clinton presented the first part of hers. The former First Lady joked that she's "tangled with this issue before" and has "the scars to show for it." But the lesson she seems to have learned is political, not substantive--that is, make any plans for government control gauzy and incremental, not grandiose.

Mrs. Clinton will unroll her universal plan later this year; last week's speech focused on lowering health-care costs, which stand at $1.9 trillion for 2005. She says she can trim that by "at least" $120 billion. A big lump of that figure comes from digitizing and integrating medical records. Not a bad idea, probably: A 2005 RAND study suggests it could produce $77 billion in net savings a year with 90% adoption. Computerized record-keeping is so unobjectionable that it's also a pet issue of Newt Gingrich, among other Republicans.

Mrs. Clinton also nodded at medical malpractice reform. She neglected, however, to support the proposals that would actually reduce costs, such as punitive damage caps and specialized medical courts. These, not incidentally, are also the programs most vigorously opposed by the tort bar.

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Mrs. Clinton's promises to crack down on the "marketing and schemes" of the insurance industry. She decried companies, for instance, that "discriminate" against those with pre-existing conditions, and would require that "anyone" be allowed to join a plan, whenever. This is called "guaranteed issue"; it allows people to wait until they're sick before seeking insurance, making it less affordable for everyone else.

Guaranteed issue is precisely one of the mandates that makes insurance so expensive in states like Massachusetts, New York and New Jersey.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008election; democrat; healthcare

The article contains other good reasons why the World's Smartest Woman
and other Rat wannabe's should refrain from practicing medicine.

1 posted on 06/02/2007 6:28:53 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Romney (RINO,MA): "I like Hillary. I forced her socialized medicine
HillaryCARE deep down the throats of everyone in Massachusetts,
and they won't even begin to start paying extra until next month."

2 posted on 06/02/2007 6:42:07 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Zakeet
Hillary Rodham Clinton is a Socialist.

3 posted on 06/02/2007 6:42:36 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (Speaker Pelosi - Three cheers for Amnesty!)
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To: Zakeet
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LOOK... it's TouristSenator!!!
It shows up in more places than TouristGuy...
only with less style and substance...
she's Vaporware, just an empty crusty.
(Please spread me around like the parasite that i am...)
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4 posted on 06/02/2007 6:47:57 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: new yorker 77

To me, it is very interesting the Newt is pursuing reform like the digitizing outside of government. I guess it may be easier to get things done.


5 posted on 06/02/2007 6:49:25 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: new yorker 77

Hillary is a socialist and I suspect that every other major political leader / candidate are also socialists in varying degrees. The country turned the corner and headed down this slope in 1965. Given the state of affairs and the affairs of state, socialized medicine is inevitable.
After all what is good for GM is good for the nation. The
New World Order, governed by corporate fascists and elitist
socialists is here. It may be to late for even another American revolution to stop it.


6 posted on 06/02/2007 6:56:25 AM PDT by buckalfa
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To: buckalfa
It may be to late for even another American revolution to stop it.

It is too late. America is dead.

But what I don't understand is why there's so much fuss over health care. Is everyone sick? Do they all go to the doctor because they're lonely? Why is this such a big deal?

I haven't been to a doctor, except for routine dental cleanings, in over 5 years. I don't even have a regular doctor.

7 posted on 06/02/2007 7:00:06 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, don't rape anyone. Don't push your morality on others!)
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To: MichiganConservative

Ya never know when it’ll hit ya. Yesterday I was back and forth between two hospitals, one where my sister is and one where my mother is. They both have insurance and are getting excellent care.
However, it’s my understanding that even without insurance the hospitals treat you anyway. So I don’t get all the fuss over changing health care. I can understand some sort of national insurance pool...but why don’t they leave the care itself alone? I think for Hillary this whole thing is ego ...and trying to get that louse of a husband to love her.


8 posted on 06/02/2007 7:18:30 AM PDT by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABELER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: Zakeet
I've been a member on FR for a few years and have read hundreds of articles and thousands of post replies dealing with America's health care. As of yet, I have not read or seen one solution offered which I agree with, other than, instituting our OWN national health care system.

We don't have to re-invent the wheel here. We can create a buffet table of all the socialized health care models used in different nations around the world and pick and choose what parts of a plan would work best for Americans. Whichever plan can be worked out, a 'deductable' HAS to be implemented.

Over 1/3 of Americans already enjoy free (or mostly free) health care and another 1/3 have health insurance whose premiums are either heavily subsidized or free. Guess who has been paying for this?

I know I'll probably get the usual name calling by the head-in-sand crowd, but before anyone does, please send me $880.00 for my next MONTHLY (my premium alone) HMO health insurance policy.

9 posted on 06/02/2007 7:22:57 AM PDT by moonman
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To: moonman
As of yet, I have not read or seen one solution offered which I agree with,

What I don't understand is What is wrong with the system we have?
Just because a bunch of folks, dims usually, say the system is broken doesn't make it so.

Hospitals are understaffed to a degree. but you know what?
I have a cousin that recently wanted to go into nursing. The nursing school has a 3 yr. waiting list.

We are already paying for the indigent to get care. Every time you go to the hospital your bill includes surcharges to cover their expense. Why add a government layer of bureaucrats and employees to siphon off dollars.
The government welfare system spends about 28 cents on the dollar on recipients, the rest pays administration salaries.
Imagine the 'waste' that the gov. could generate if they got their body into healthcare. They already have their nose in it.

10 posted on 06/02/2007 7:38:37 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Vinnie
There is nothing wrong with the health care system.. it’s the reimbursement from the Health plans and the government to the dr’s and hospitals, plus all the “free” care that the hospitals have to give.
11 posted on 06/02/2007 7:50:21 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Vinnie
"What I don't understand is What is wrong with the system we have?"

Did you read what I pay for health care premium per month? I am self-employed, 56 years old. In July, I will be paying $969.00 per month. This doesn't include another $178.00+ per month for prescription drugs. Total: $1,147.00 per month.

I think we have the best health care in the world, it's just that ... I CAN'T AFFORD IT!

12 posted on 06/02/2007 8:28:12 AM PDT by moonman
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To: moonman

880.00/ month dang man.. that is insane, you should be able to pick a plan that fits you not some think that has stuff that you will never use.. like OB care


13 posted on 06/02/2007 8:34:01 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: markman46
Thanks. Please read my reply back to Vinnie.

Most people are kept in the dark when it comes to the true costs of health care and insurance. Either the government or employers subsidize it. I remember a mere 10 years ago that cost of everyone's health care in America past the $600 billion mark. It is now $1.9 Trillion. I have an HMO, bare bones plan. No pregnancy, alcoholic or drug addict inclusion. LOL.

My doctor, who is 11 years younger than me (45 years old), said his entire 10 years of college, COST LESS PER MONTH, than what I am paying for a health insurance policy with co-pays. There isn't any 'fixing' our current system.

14 posted on 06/02/2007 8:53:27 AM PDT by moonman
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To: MichiganConservative

You are blessed with good health and are to be envied.

Having worked in healthcare in a rural setting, going to the doctor or emergency room is in part social interaction.
The elderly and poor are often alone, scared, and a visit to the doctor helps to relieve those fears.

One anecdotal story from the 80’s. The local doctor calls
the local hospital ICU with a stat order for admitting an
elderly lady who was having an actice MI. Hospital staff
makes the emergency preperations but the patient does not
arrive. The staff and doctor along with friends and relatives search the small community for her. The critically ill patient was found in the beauty shop having
her hair done. Her expination was that she could not
receive visitors in the hospital unless she was totally presentable.


15 posted on 06/02/2007 12:29:35 PM PDT by buckalfa
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To: moonman
I read that reply, I work in Health care have for 30 yrs.
the last 15 on the insurance side. even I get riped off, currently pay 75 in drug copays and 20 for the dr visit. god forbid I need to go to the ER 100.00.I don’t want or need the ob or psy care or some of the other stuff that is in my benefit list. and I just have a HMO. If I had something like a Point of service I’d have a really high Deductible.. I don't know who all are health plans in FL, but you are really getting taken badly for just a bare bones plan..
16 posted on 06/02/2007 1:50:32 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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