Things to Like in the Immigration Bill - What conservatives are missing.

The Weekly Standard ^ | June 1st, 2007 | Fred Barnes

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>Then you must be using the Sheryl Crow method of toilet paper conservation.<<

Thanks, LOL.

Do you think Earthdweller is a 6th grader? Sure does resort to name calling. That’s not going to impress many on these boards.

[freespirited]

Obviously you can't defend Rooty`s support for the latest liberal immigration reform to come out of liberal WashDC....you appear to be a RudyBooster.

For the last time, Rudy opposes the bill. He has said it is more bad than good.

I like all of our candidates to varying degrees, with the exception of McCrazy and Paul.

[Lancey Howard]

Then there's the "trigger," a brainstorm of Republican senator Johnny Isakson. It delays further reform--including issuance of Z visas allowing the estimated 12 million illegals in the United States to stay indefinitely--until all the steps to tighten border security have been taken.

No point in proceeding further into this column, because this is a bald-faced lie.

[no dems]

Fred Barnes became a non-entity a long while ago, where conservative causes and values are concerned. That’s just my opinion.

I don’t put much stock in him anymore.

[no dems]

Come now. Where’s your sense of reason. You know Fred Barnes must know what he’s talking about; he’s one of Brit Hume’s Gall Stars.

[Lancey Howard]

There is no “trigger”.
The "trigger" is meaningless; a scam....

The DAY the bill is signed, 12 million illegal aliens are given full legal status.
....Rendering any "trigger" meaningless. (The "trigger" gimmick is a scam.)

After that, they won’t care if they get citizenship.
Of course they won't care.... they can renew these "temporary" Z Visas forever, until they're dead.

After all, they’ll have the ACLU.
....Along with welfare, food stamps, health care, and government schools for millions of new American citizens - - their babies.

[oldbill]

Being an amnesty and open-borders zealot is one of the requirements for any panelist on Fox’ Special Report or Fox News Sunday.

If you are a big amnesty zealot, like Gerry Rivers, you even get your own show to call people racist.

[California Patriot]

Written by Fred Barnes, so consider the source. Nice guy, but rarely knows what he is talking about. He can be safely ignored. In fact, it’s probably safest to ignore him.

[Pining_4_TX]

Oh, my! I almost wet myself when I read your comment. I still can’t stop laughing.

[investigateworld]

Last month, the temp agency sent me a 50+YOA BS EE to unload plywood at my shop. Really a smart guy, good worker, and I hate to embarrass Cal-Poly by mentioning that when Frieghtliner shipped those jobs to Mexico, their graduates can face tough times like the rest of us.

So I won't.

[no dems]

If you are a big amnesty zealot, like Gerry Rivers, you even get your own show to call people racist.

I assume you're talking about Geraldo Rivera; I can't tolerate that guy for one minute.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>Being an amnesty and open-borders zealot is one of the requirements for any panelist on Fox’ Special Report or Fox News Sunday.

If you are a big amnesty zealot, like Gerry Rivers, you even get your own show to call people racist.<<

That’s why I think Fox’s ratings will decline.

But Hume had Laura Ingraham at the start of the show the other day. She is not one of the “All Stars” — she is too smart for that. Brit himself doesn’t say the dumb pro-amnesty lines the “All Stars” do. Sometimes he even looks like he has a pained expression when the “Beltway Boys” open their mouths about immigration.

[roamer_1]

Hi garbanzo,

While I think it's fair to say that border control hasn't been the A-1 priority with the Bush Administration, it's somewhat unfair to say it's been ignored.

I will grant you that, though in large part Bush instituted border security improvements only after his initial immigration efforts were rebelled against just prior to the last election.

The biggest part of that is the funding for the fence- Though the fence installation has never truly begun with the meager exception of a couple pilot projects, or at least that is all I am aware of.

Yes, he increased border control agents, ICE agents, and authorized a token performance by the Nat'l Guard...

If all these were meaningful, like Nat'l Guard with bullets in their guns and policing authority, or a fence being built with all due haste, perhaps there would be less strenuous objection.

But these token attempts followed by "Amnesty II" sailed us right past "That ain't right" into "Oh, Hell No!" territory. Somebody's packing sand where the sun don't shine.

Oh and BTW, If you don't know what happens when we hit "Oh, Hell No!" territory, you might want to ask the Dixie Chicks how that all works out.

We may not be there quite yet, but we are very close to that point. I think George Bush is done. I think that any Republicans who have tried to sell this bill are done too. Especially since calling our collective character into question (see Dixie Chicks again).

Whether it becomes a political blood-letting will depend entirely upon what untainted Republicans do from this point on, and they better do it damn fast.

Build the fence. Enforce the law.

-Bruce

[COgamer]

Anything that’s supposed to “appeal” to conservatives in this bill suffers from one major, and fatal, flaw. Conservatives know damn well those provisions will never be enforced. They aren’t even being enforced now!!!

[devolve]

[tioga]

Then you allow yourself to be snookered. I refuse to allow that. When our border agents are tried and convicted for protecting our borders with force, then we are not doing enough. When local residents along our border are not safe on their own properties, we are not doing enough. When hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens simply walk across our borders and take over our land, we are not doing enough. You are too complacent. The rest of America is really ticked off.

[bray]

Oh, you mean the high level of discussion that is used in addressing our President? You must be equally offended by that.

Yes, Rush is using extremely offensive and thuggish behavior on this issue with conservatives that are pro-business. That must really offend you.

PRay for W and Our Troops

[Reagan Man]

>>>>>For the last time, Rudy opposes the bill. He has said it is more bad than good.

And for the last time, that is pure bunkum! Giuliani doesn't oppose the bill for what it includes. He opposes it for what it excludes and has said so publicly. Include the tamper proof ID cards and a database of foreigners ---and Rooty will support it, in its entirety.

Like Pres Bush and Sen McCain, Giuliani has always supported the Senate's comprehensive/liberal immigration reform proposal. From the NY Sun, Apr 27, 2006:

“I think the compromise the Senate was looking at, something along those lines makes sense.” Mr. Giuliani said. He said if immigrants are identified using new fingerprint and photograph technology or special identification cards, they can be identified and become taxpayers ....”

Recently Rudy told Hannity:

"We have to have a database in which we know who is here — everybody who is here from a foreign country. .... we need to have a tamper-proof ID card. You need to get people to come forward in the United States who are working here and have them sign up, get fingerprinted, photographed and start paying their fair share, start paying taxes."

Rooty Toot wants illegals to come forward and pay taxes. That's called AMNESTY!!!

[betsyross1776]

Hello, we already have these. In case you didn’t know these have been law for a long time. Until Regan, the hero of the righties who only wanted whities, let them in with a misdimenor crime. It was the ol Regan not Bush who started this. Since all these people at least some of them have been here twenty years, how do you figure out that one? As Hannity says what would Ronald Regan do? the answer let them all in here!Oh Clinton did nothing either, he needs them for his wife’s votes.

[PhilDragoo]

The president has no intention of enforcing the border.

What is appealing about that?