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Jesus is Lord? Hewitt, Mormonism and Bigotry
Townhall.com ^ | June 3, 2007 | Frank Pastore

Posted on 06/03/2007 4:39:15 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: NYer; Salvation

-here’s an interesting thread on theology. Amusing.


61 posted on 06/03/2007 7:14:21 AM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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To: Kaslin
..and this issue is not going to go away

But having said that, my main objection to Romney is not his LDS connection--but that he is bad candidate IMO. He is very disingenuous on several key positions.

He may be a good Mormon, by LDS standards, but his processed and packaged demeanor and message is no more appealing to this conservative than Barack Obama.

I support a real person with real solutions--Duncan Hunter...

62 posted on 06/03/2007 7:19:35 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: colorcountry
"And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise." Luke 10:3-37

Samaritans were as reviled during the days of Jesus Christ day as the Mormons are today. They were denounced for having corrupt and pagan beliefs. Yet Jesus Christ used the example of a Samaritan to teach this great lesson.

What do yo suppose will be the fate of the Samaritan at the final judgment?

63 posted on 06/03/2007 7:20:15 AM PDT by JCEccles (“Politics ain’t beanbag” Finley Peter Dunne)
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To: colorcountry
"And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise." Luke 10:3-37

Samaritans were as reviled during the days of Jesus Christ day as the Mormons are today. They were denounced for having corrupt and pagan beliefs. Yet Jesus Christ used the example of a Samaritan to teach this great lesson.

What do you suppose will be the fate of the Samaritan at the final judgment?

64 posted on 06/03/2007 7:21:04 AM PDT by JCEccles (“Politics ain’t beanbag” Finley Peter Dunne)
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To: JCEccles

Jesus also spoke to a Samaritan woman at the well. I am that woman. I am a dispicable outcast, a lowly woman. Christ looked into my life and saw me for who I am and loved me anyway. Now I am running from the well to tell the samaritans what I have discovered, that Jesus Christ is the Messiah.

As for the good Samaritan....it is a parable, I’m not certain that good samaritan existed except as an example for us. If he did exist he certainly was a good man, and we are admonished to emulate him (whether he was real or a parable.)

His works didn’t earn the good Samaritan a spot in heaven however. There is only one way to Heaven, through Jesus Christ. Your good works for Christ will earn you a crown which you will cast at the feet of God....not for your glory but for his. Everything we do is for his glory, or it is a filthy rag.


65 posted on 06/03/2007 7:28:49 AM PDT by colorcountry ("You step in crap once and spend the rest of your life scraping it off.")
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To: Neville72
"...I’m a Christian-American-Conservative-Republican–in that order..."

And that's probably the scariest quote on this entire thread.
66 posted on 06/03/2007 7:35:17 AM PDT by frankenMonkey (Are there any men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?)
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To: colorcountry
..well said, colorcountry

The woman at the well came to my mind also.

67 posted on 06/03/2007 7:35:21 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: colorcountry; FastCoyote; MHGinTN; Pan_Yans Wife; svcw; Enosh; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; ...

Flying Inman Posse Ping


68 posted on 06/03/2007 7:37:29 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (That "broken glass" we all crawled over in 2000 has now left scars on our hearts as well !)
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To: JCEccles

Then follow Him, and act on everything He said, because even Jesus told people that they will be judged by their fruits, and that means THE RESULTS AND ACTIONS OF THEIR LIFE, and in order to do that, you have to JUDGE someone, or some false religion.


69 posted on 06/03/2007 7:46:16 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: GOP_Raider

Do yourself a favor: look up websites that critique mormonism

You’ll see.


70 posted on 06/03/2007 7:47:31 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel." - Romans 2:14-16

Back to the bloodfest.

God bless you all. I'm leaving. I have other things to do today.

71 posted on 06/03/2007 7:48:07 AM PDT by JCEccles (“Politics ain’t beanbag” Finley Peter Dunne)
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To: wai-ming
“Jews and Christians worship the same God.”

Not true.

The Jews do not accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.

Jews do not believe in the Trinity.”

Interesting discussion. Whether Jews and Christians worship the same God depends upon the the actual nature of God.

If Jews are right, and Jesus is merely a man, then you are right.

If Christians are right and Jesus was the God of the Old Testament who revealed the Father (Both Jews and Christians agree the Holy Spirit comes from God, regardless of its nature), then you are wrong.

It behooves us to determine whether Jesus truly was God or not. He based His proof upon His resurrection. His body was not found.

If you believe in the God of the Old Testament, I suggest praying and asking Him about Jesus. He will answer that prayer.

If you don’t believe in God or aren’t sure, just ask Him whether He exists. If He doesn’t, no harm is done. If He does, He will reveal Himself to you.

72 posted on 06/03/2007 7:56:31 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (Here's how to prove God's existence: ask Him to reveal Himself to you.)
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To: Kaslin

“Jesus was the first to teach the separation of church and state. His followers were instructed to “Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar’s, and to God, that which is God’s.” This was a direct challenge to the unified powers of Caesar as both priest and king. It was required of Roman citizens to proclaim “Caesar is Lord.” But for Christians, only Jesus is Lord. For this reason, a person could not be both a Christian and a good citizen of Rome.”

Caesar was not only priest, or king, he was also regarded as a God. Oh wait, Mitt is also a High Priest who believes he will become God and is just now trying to become president/king.

The conflicts a Mitt presidency would raise among Christians are quite mind-boggling.


73 posted on 06/03/2007 7:56:34 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: RaceBannon; colorcountry

colorcountry kinda already answered my question, but if you insist..


74 posted on 06/03/2007 7:59:20 AM PDT by GOP_Raider (FReepmail me to join the FR Idaho Ping List.)
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To: Kaslin
Every Evangelical Christian should want Mormonism exposed for what it is to all the world.
75 posted on 06/03/2007 8:52:28 AM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: colorcountry
“Yes, I will state that many of them are. They do not wish the world to see them as they are.

They have secret (sacred) ceremonies, and Temple buildings where only the very best are allowed, only the “good” mormons may attend. Try to get a straight answer out of them. Try it with Romney.

Some background on me just in case you’ve missed it before. I was born into a five generation LDS home, baptized at eight, graduated from MIA and Seminary, Temple Married. I stayed a true believer until I was in my mid twenties. I spent the next twenty years as an agnostic, and so I really didn’t see the big difference between LDS and Christianity. Five years ago I became a new creature in Christ. There is a difference. If any Mormon tell you there isn’t, he/she is a liar.”

I am in the second generation of my family to be Mormon, although my mother was not. Temple ceremonies, as you must know, if you were a Mormon, are sacred, not secret. I note in my services each week, our Bishop is trying to get more and more of our people qualified to attend Temple ceremonies, not reduce the number who attend. This is inconsistent with the ceremonies being “secret.”

I was not a true believer, did not get baptized at 8, despite attending LDS services with my grandmother. My mother remarried when I was ten, to a Southern Baptist minister. That man so turned me off religion that I gave up my search for God for many years. This doesn't make all Southern Baptists bad, just that one. It took me some years to figure that out, though, too.

In my late thirties, after my wife became LDS, I started looking again, just mildly interested. One of the missionaries I talked to asked me to pray to God to know the truth about the Book of Mormon, which I did. It is true. Either that, or God allowed someone else to lie to me about it when I prayed to him and asked him for the truth. Do you honestly believe that he would so answer a sincere prayer?

I am not the best example of a Latter-day Saint. I don’t go to church nearly as often as I should. I’m no longer eligible to attend the Temple. I’ve finally, after nearly a decade of trying, given up drinking caffeinated drinks. This is not absolutely required, but a good idea on many levels, including our President and Prophet saying good members of our church don’t drink them. I am, in other words, trying my best to follow the teachings of my church. When I read in the scriptures, and in our church magazines, things that uplift me I feel, again, the feelings I felt first that day I was told the Book of Mormon is true. That testimony also told me that the Bible is true, btw. The BoM stands as support to the Bible, not alone.

I suppose now you will call me a liar. I’m not. I’m just another man trying to understand and follow God’s will for myself and my family. I ask him to bless you, and help you to do the same. I ask this in the name of My Lord, Jesus Christ. Amen.

76 posted on 06/03/2007 8:57:34 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: tioga
“I had to point out that the muslim religion acknowledges Jesus, too, but not as thier saviour. At that point she caved on Mitt being a Christian and admitted the mormans don’t hold Jesus with any more esteem than do the muslims.”

You are right about the Muslims; they hold Jesus (Isa, as they call him) a prophet, but not the Son of God. You are way wrong on Mormons.

77 posted on 06/03/2007 9:01:46 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: GOP_Raider
The rest of you non-Mormon FReepers are all experts on the LDS faith, so are you asserting that Mormons, on top of being "un-Christian cultists" are also liars as well?

Don't take it personally, when they say "Christian", they mean "evangelical Christian".

78 posted on 06/03/2007 9:05:18 AM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: Old Student

Jesus is my Lord and Saviour, but the Mormans contaminate it all with Joseph Smith and a bunch of hooey.

As I said, I admire what I know of Mitt Romney and the way he lives his life. I am not at all interested in his faith and do not accept that it is Christian.


79 posted on 06/03/2007 9:09:07 AM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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To: TheDon

-when I say Christian I mean Roman Catholic. I am not an “evangelical” Christian. I am the big “C” Christian! LOL


80 posted on 06/03/2007 9:10:21 AM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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