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To: IsraelBeach
...hundreds of thousands of caring, loving and responsible dads were separated from their children by narcissistic mothers, social workers and family court judges.

It is entirely possible that many of the mothers were not narcissistic, but rather had been abused, neglected or morally affronted by their husbands and wished to preserve a family atmosphere for the children without having to "normalize" socialist relations between the father and and share the children with their father's mistress who participated in breaking up the marriage. But such conservative thinking falls outside the scope of Marxist abstractions.

2 posted on 06/03/2007 2:44:01 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Albion Wilde
It is entirely possible that many of the mothers were not narcissistic, but rather had been abused, neglected or morally affronted by their husbands and wished to preserve a family atmosphere for the children without having to "normalize" socialist relations between the father and and share the children with their father's mistress who participated in breaking up the marriage.

There's at a least a one in fifty chance.

5 posted on 06/03/2007 2:48:02 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Albion Wilde

Funny you should mention that. Mine was just taken to the ER by the police. We were supposed to be having a lunch to discuss the divorce and finances and he started threatening suicide. Details, where, how, etc. I called 911 from the restaurant and they got him to go. I have NO doubt he’ll claim all sorts of wild things, probably including that i keep him from the 2 teens still at home (who don’t want anything to do with him anymore)
I know there are many stories, but it’s not all evil mommy keeping the kiddies from the poor maligned daddy.

I’m going to have to move. I know I will.


10 posted on 06/03/2007 3:03:41 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (Breve deep. It calms the mind.)
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To: Albion Wilde
It is entirely possible that many of the mothers were not narcissistic, but rather had been abused, neglected or morally affronted by their husbands and wished to preserve a family atmosphere for the children without having to "normalize" socialist relations between the father and and share the children with their father's mistress who participated in breaking up the marriage. But such conservative thinking falls outside the scope of Marxist abstractions.

Don't be so angry. Girls are bad too. Did you know that in America, between 10 and 15% of children born to married couples are NOT the child of the husband? Do you have a handy abstraction for that one? Toilet seats, perhaps?

The fact is, we live in a pagan society that honors promiscuity. We also live in a society where there are a lot of good men and good women trying to live Godly lives despite that. Some succeed and some fail. The ones that fail probably still deserve a chance to know their children--I'd leave punishment for that up to the good Lord. In any event, its completely unfair how the punishment for failure gets meted out. Women that fail get custody and men that fail get to wonder what their kids look like.

Getting angry about the fallen state of man doesn't change a thing, except that you are angry.

27 posted on 06/03/2007 6:03:29 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Albion Wilde
It is entirely possible that many of the mothers were not narcissistic, but rather had been abused, neglected or morally affronted by their husbands and wished to preserve a family atmosphere for the children without having to "normalize" socialist relations between the father and and share the children with their father's mistress who participated in breaking up the marriage. But such conservative thinking falls outside the scope of Marxist abstractions...

Yes, let's not move beyond that bedrock principle that has served so long for so well...when in doubt, it's the man's fault. Conservative thinking not long ago called for fathers to have custody of children...when viewed in that light, it's the current system that's influenced by what you call "Marxist" thinking.

Assuming that men are never at fault is as insane as assuming that women are never at fault...or even that any one gender is predominantly at fault. The truth is that there's plenty of blame to go around.

This article addresses the role of courts in the current model of divorced families and the consequences that follow. It addresses the empowerment of women to exclude fathers from their children's lives. Perhaps you can move past your own palpable bitterness(whether sympathetic or personally derived) and address that issue.

43 posted on 06/04/2007 6:26:41 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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