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Guitartabs.com Suspends Under Legal Pressure [by-ear transcription illegal?]
Slashdot ^ | 6/3/2007 | T-ice

Posted on 06/04/2007 6:49:17 AM PDT by TChris

Music publishers are stepping up their campaign to remove guitar tablature from the Net. Recently Guitartabs.com received a nastygram from lawyers for the National Music Publishers Association and The Music Publishers Association of America. These organizations want to stretch the definition of their intellectual property to include by-ear transcriptions of music. Guitartabs.com is currently not offering tablature while the owner evaluates his legal options.


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Good grief, already!

How many of these same musicians cut their teeth doing covers of other artists' music, learning by copying the "intellectual property" of others?

1 posted on 06/04/2007 6:49:22 AM PDT by TChris
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To: TChris

Their translations are not even very good.


2 posted on 06/04/2007 6:52:11 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (the Prophet said, If (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him. - HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260])
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To: TChris
Wait until they go after air guitar- there will be howls coast-to-coast!

I have seen “by ear” transcriptions of many pieces, in book form, and most seem to have deliberate errors, no doubt to protect against copyright suits.

3 posted on 06/04/2007 6:53:35 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: TChris

I guess my ears are illegal copying machines, now............Obama must be a super criminal.........


4 posted on 06/04/2007 6:53:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Red Badger

Lol!


5 posted on 06/04/2007 6:54:56 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: TChris

This has happened to a number of tab and Guitar Pro sites lately and its a bit over the top. One of the main Guitar Pro sites moved their server from France to Russia so they’re out of anyones jurisdiction now.

Soon you’ll get sued for singing along with a tune.


6 posted on 06/04/2007 6:57:03 AM PDT by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: TChris

Eagles - Get Over It
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Date : May 5th,2004
Song : Get Over It
Artist : Eagles
Album : Hell Freezed Over
I am : Mohamed Hassan ...20 years old ...Egyptian

This is one of my favourite Eagles songs,it’s off the album Hell Freezes Over,Nice beat
solos hope you guys like it cause it took alot of time,it’s pretty perfect I think
maybe for a couple of notes in the solos..but it sounds great.

Chords
Barred D : 55777x D5 : x577xx F5 : 133xxx
C5 : 8-10-10-x-x A5 : 577xxx E5 : x799xx

Intro Solo
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Main Riff/Chorus
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You can play it by sliding while holding the Barred D-Shape..much easier this way
D
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-—7s10~————7s10~———7s10~-————————| Make a little Vibrato
-7-7s9~-——7-—7s9~——7—7s9~-—7-—14-————|(stop)- at the end of the slide
-7-7s9~-——7-—7s9~——7—7s9~-—7-—14(stop)-—|
-5—————5-—————5-————5———————|
-5—————5-—————5-————5———————|

Verse
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Listen to the song to figure out the strumming pattern,it’s simple just alternating
between D/D7-G/G7-A/A7
-————————3-3—3-3———5-5-5-5-———————|
-————————7-3—7-3———8-5-8-5-———————|
-—7-5-7-5-———4-4—4-4———6-6-6-6-———————|
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D/D7
I turn on the tube
What do I see
A whole lotta people
Cryin’ Don’t blame me,They point their
Crooked little fingers
At everybody else
Spend all of their time
Feeling Sorry for themselves

G/G7
Victim of this
Victim of that

A/A7
Your momma’s too thin and
Your daddy’s too fat!

Chours
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D5
Get over it (The Slide in the Intro)
F5
Get over it (The Slide again)
G5
All this whinin’, cryin’ (One more time)
Pitchin’ a fit
D5
Get over it
Get over it

First Solo
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Second Guitar can Play Power Chords
D5 F5
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G5 A5 D5
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——10—8———10-8-——10-8——10-8s15——————————15——————|
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Second Verse
++++++++++
D/D7
You said you haven’t been the same
Since you had your little crash
But you might feel better
If they gave you some cash
The more I think about it
Old Billy was right
Let’s kill all the lawyers
Kill ‘em tonight!
G7/G
Don’t wanna work
You want to live like a king
A7/A
But the big bad world
Doesn’t owe you a thing

Repeat Chours

Second Solo
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Same Power chords Progression
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—9s16p—12s9-9s12—15b16-15s12—9s12—————————9s12——|
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—19-16-——15b16-————15-15-—15-15——15-15————|
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Bridge
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C5 C5/D5
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It’s like going to confession every time I hear you Speak
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You’re making the most of your losing streak
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Some call it sick I call it weak

Verse :
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You’re draggin’ around
Like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt
You wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag
You wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter
Bringin’ everybody down

You bitch about the present
Blame it on the past

I’d like to find you in a child
And kick it’s little ass!

Outro :
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Same Power Chords Progression
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-—20-20-15-13-15———————15-15s13——————————|
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Slide Up
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That would be it,Please rate it..and Keep It Rockin’
metia_kickass@hotmail.com


7 posted on 06/04/2007 6:57:07 AM PDT by Frumanchu (Jerry Falwell: Now a Calvinist in Glory)
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To: TChris

They have a right to protect what they have created.


8 posted on 06/04/2007 6:57:19 AM PDT by stockpirate (All American taxpayers should claim to be illigal aliens and get forgiven for not paying taxes.)
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To: Red Badger
I guess my ears are illegal copying machines, now............Obama must be a super criminal.........

Ears are now considered 'pirating equipment' under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. MPAA and RIAA are working with Apple to release licensed i-Ears with appropriate DRM in time for Christmas.

9 posted on 06/04/2007 6:57:57 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: TChris

I used to download tabs and found great enjoyment learning new songs this way. Most tab sites have quit tho under pressure from lawyers.


10 posted on 06/04/2007 6:58:00 AM PDT by lakeman
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To: stockpirate
They have a right to protect what they have created.

Blasphemy!

11 posted on 06/04/2007 6:58:24 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: TChris

Jimi Hendrix would never have gotten off the ground. He covered everything from Wild Thing, Hey Joe, All Along The Watchtower, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band, Hound Dog, Little Red Rooster, Catfish Blues, Red House...

and it he did it by ear.


12 posted on 06/04/2007 6:59:28 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Brad Cloven

This is getting ridiculous. Tabs have been around forever, they have never been a major source of profit for musicians anyway, and most of them are done by listening to the music and writing the music down (or typing it into a tabulature program.)

So now listening to music and figuring out the notes is illegal?

The music industry, and it’s affiliates, are creating their own doom. It’s getting to the point that they are too greedy, too fascist in enforcing copyright, and driving their market away from their products.

The only way for this to stop is for musicians to *stop* joining these organizations, stop doing business with anyone associated with these people, and standing up for their rights.


13 posted on 06/04/2007 7:00:06 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: Brad Cloven
Their translations are not even very good.

Rubbish, in fact. Incorrect keys, totally wrong positions/fingerings, etc.

In other words, hacks writing for hacks. Let's face it - 80% of rock/pop tunes shouldn't require any written notation with their I/IV/V progressions and easy-to-pick-up-by-ear arrangements.

Many publishers of instructional DVDs have been dodging the copyright laws for years with titles like "In The Style Of The Eagles" - all the greatest hits are presented in 10-second bites with album/song titles cleverly omitted even though the passages are played to mimic the records. Perhaps the authors/distributors hope to hide behind fair use.

The sheet music industry are even more technophobic than the RIAA however - they still want to sell actual sheets! PDFs would sell like hotcakes and despite any threat from end-user copying it would almost certainly replace the lost revenue from hard-copy sales.

I rarely look at sheet music but I seem to recall single songs priced in excess of $10.00. Once again, an entire industry segment fails basic economics.

14 posted on 06/04/2007 7:00:16 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Red Badger

Land of a Thousand Dances...

“Na nana na na na na na na...”

If that song is now stuck in your head, you owe the RIAA a royalty each time you think about it today. < /s >


15 posted on 06/04/2007 7:00:59 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: TChris

I am a proponent of copyright protection and all that, but lately this has been getting RIDICULOUS.


16 posted on 06/04/2007 7:01:12 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred has not yet begun to hurt Rudy.)
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To: Frumanchu

Ack! How could you post that to this thread? Now anyone that reads this thread is guilty of piracy. < /s >


17 posted on 06/04/2007 7:02:05 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: relictele

Sheet music has been bootlegged since day one.

And in the 1800s it could cost 50cents or more for a song. Figure out that in modern currency.


18 posted on 06/04/2007 7:03:57 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: TChris

Ha! I remember how PO’d Edward Van Halen was when Eruption came out in tableture. He didn’t mind covering the Kinks in VH-1 though.


19 posted on 06/04/2007 7:05:16 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: TChris

Does this also cover really bad songs? There is no way that ‘baby,baby don’t get hooked on me’ is “intellectual” property by any stretch of the term.

;o)


20 posted on 06/04/2007 7:05:45 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: atomicpossum
I have a composition calling “ringing in my ears” I want to copyright. Then when a big guitarist complains of tinnitus, I can demand my royalties.
21 posted on 06/04/2007 7:06:10 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: stockpirate

If they want it protected to this degree, they shouldn’t broadcast it. What’s next? Will there be lawsuits to stop you from making food at home inspired by restaurants?


22 posted on 06/04/2007 7:06:59 AM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: TChris
This seriously needs to be put to rest by the courts. I can't see how the courts would allow intellectual property to be stretched to individuals' interpetations of the exact notes of riffs or even chord progressions. As someone above wrote, many are off and some are not even close. Now, consider that many of the tabs posted are not available in any format that you could purchase where these publishers would get a fee.

I'm usually with the artists on these copyright issues, but this is just overboard.
23 posted on 06/04/2007 7:08:20 AM PDT by NorthFlaRebel
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To: Liberty Valance
There is no way that ‘baby,baby don’t get hooked on me’ is “intellectual” property by any stretch of the term.

Believe it or not the Rivingtons successfully sued the Trashmen for the writing credit to "Surfin Bird" because they claimed the lyric "Pappa oom mow mow pappa oom mow mow..." was intellectual property.

24 posted on 06/04/2007 7:08:47 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: TChris

test


25 posted on 06/04/2007 7:08:58 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu
test

Are you logged in?

26 posted on 06/04/2007 7:10:15 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: TChris

There’s nothing illegal about playing or transcribing someone else’s music. Publishing it or performing it in public without compensation to the author is another matter altogether.


27 posted on 06/04/2007 7:10:28 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: NorthFlaRebel

Consider too “maps”. Some map makers will deliberately put false roads in there to detect when their work has been misappropriated.

But few map makers probably survey every town and road themselves.


28 posted on 06/04/2007 7:10:50 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: TChris; 537cant be wrong; Aeronaut; bamabaseballmom; bassmaner; Bella_Bru; Brian Allen; caver; ...

Rock & Roll ping!


29 posted on 06/04/2007 7:11:21 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: TChris
Apparantly so. I'm having some odd problems on-line, and am working through them.

Sorry to interupt your thread.

30 posted on 06/04/2007 7:13:08 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: weegee
Just listened to Wild Thing, by Hendrix.

And you are correct......he did it all by ear.

31 posted on 06/04/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Political Correctness...is Intellectual Fascism)
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To: weegee

Artist: Steam Lyrics
Song: Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye Lyrics
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye

He’ll never love you, the way that I love you
‘Cause if he did, no no, he wouldn’t make you cry
He might be thrillin’ baby but a-my love (my love, my love)
So dog-gone willin’
So kiss him (I wanna see you kiss him. Wanna see you kiss him)
Go on and kiss him goodbye, now

Na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye

Listen to me now

He’s never near you to comfort and cheer you
When all those sad tears are fallin’ baby from your eyes
He might be thrillin’ baby but a-my love (my love, my love)
So dog-gone willin’
So kiss him (I wanna see you kiss him. I wanna see you kiss him)
Go on and kiss him goodbye, na-na na-na-na na na

Na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye

[fade in]
Hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
[repeat many times and fade out]


32 posted on 06/04/2007 7:14:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: weegee

LOL. Didn’t the Oakridge Boys use that same lyric on one of their tunes?


33 posted on 06/04/2007 7:14:51 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: TChris

Here’s my response to all the ‘intellectual property’ arguments that some are bound to make:

I don’t see how this is the same as downloading music. The tab does you no good if you don’t have the chops to play it anyway, and if you can pull it off, it’s not like you’re going to book a gig at the corner club and play Pink Floyd tunes, and charge $200 a ticket as if it was really Floyd. There’s no comparison to the actual music.

The music industry is digging it’s own grave here.

Do you know of any bands who actually encourage people to learn their songs? Seems like a smart thing to do marketing-wise- much the way the Dead allowed and encouraged bootleg recordings at their events.


34 posted on 06/04/2007 7:15:07 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I would rather vote for Lindsay Lohan than Lindsey Graham.)
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To: ReignOfError
There’s nothing illegal about playing or transcribing someone else’s music. Publishing it or performing it in public without compensation to the author is another matter altogether.

Define "public". A summer camp campfire is considered public and everything from Happy Birthday onward has been litigated for royalties when sung there.

And the author will not see the royalties. The collection agency will collect them by pressuring establishments to pay a seasonal protection fee, but it offers them blanket protection and does not require a logging of the actual songs, writers, or publishers involved.

So if you pay BMI or ASCAP, your bar is protected if any musician covers their material or if someone plays a CD of their protected songs. But none of that money BMI or ASCAP collected will go to the artist because they do not have a record of who to pay it to.

35 posted on 06/04/2007 7:15:25 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: navyguy; AnnaZ
Soon you’ll get sued for singing along with a tune.

Ahhh, the real reason behind Digital Angel chip implants!!

36 posted on 06/04/2007 7:16:20 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: ReignOfError

I know guys who make a living in cover bands. It’s been happening for decades. No royalties have ever been demanded or paid by anyone anywhere, as far as I know.


37 posted on 06/04/2007 7:17:56 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I would rather vote for Lindsay Lohan than Lindsey Graham.)
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To: TChris

Someone once asked Dave Van Ronk for permission to post tab of one of his arrangements to which he replied “sure go ahead, I stole them all myself.” Seems like some musicians don’t care and some really fell threatened by tab sites.


38 posted on 06/04/2007 7:18:10 AM PDT by moreisee
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To: ovrtaxt

In the days of vaudeville, sheet music was where the money was. And there was payola. Payola to get singers to sing their songs on stage AND payola to put shills in the audience (or in the bar up the street) to sing the songs.

The public would see it as a “popular” song and buy the sheet music.

When records first came out, the Supreme Court said that there was no royalty due to the songwriter. That changed.

And when radio came along (and replaced live performers with records), the Supreme Court said that no money was due the artist on the record when the record was played on the air.

The industry has bought and paid for the decisions that have come down for a hundred years.


39 posted on 06/04/2007 7:20:09 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: weegee
I have a composition calling “ringing in my ears” I want to copyright. Then when a big guitarist complains of tinnitus, I can demand my royalties.

Imagine the suit that could be brought by the guy who released 'Three Minutes of Silence,' an actual record released to jukeboxes that featured what it promised.

I guess not making noise is infrigement, too.

40 posted on 06/04/2007 7:21:53 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Red Badger

The singer in Cannibal And The Headhunters began Land of A Thousand Dances with “Na nana na na...” because he forgot the opening lyric. The error was kept for the final recording.


41 posted on 06/04/2007 7:22:12 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: weegee

If you can’t read it can you pirate it?


42 posted on 06/04/2007 7:22:49 AM PDT by ThomasThomas ( Spelling long words makes my head hurt.)
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To: atomicpossum

John Cale has a composition called 4’ 33” that is 4:33 minutes of silence.

It’s been done. Don’t know if he’s litigated.


43 posted on 06/04/2007 7:23:32 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: NorthFlaRebel

“This seriously needs to be put to rest by the courts. I can’t see how the courts would allow intellectual property to be stretched to individuals’ interpetations of the exact notes of riffs or even chord progressions. As someone above wrote, many are off and some are not even close. Now, consider that many of the tabs posted are not available in any format that you could purchase where these publishers would get a fee.”

Agreed. The music industry is money grabbing anywhere it can, without addressing the main fact that they are losing money because they have nothing people want to buy. Artists are not nurtured or allowed to grow anymore, it’s all big hit big money right now, or we drop you - the greed has been killing the golden goose and they’re feeling it now. Talk to most musicians these days,from national/international level down to bar level, they’re all seeing it - no tour funds, no advertising, no support, bands being dropped before they have time to mature, lower royalty rates, and lawsuits and threats of lawsuits over their material that they signed away the rights to and most certainly don’t see the profits from lawsuits and settlements. They won’t talk about it in the press, but it’s all anyone talks about, how bad it sucks right now, how the labels are getting worse, and bands are slowly being forced out of existence because they can’t make any money.

All tabs are is a *portion* of the song, like it’s been said, often innacurate. You can buy them, but those are often wrong as well, as the publishers hire people to tab them quickly, or are cribbed from the sheets musicians have done to file for copyright, which carry the main melody and lyrics and little else. You can get tabs from guitar magazines, but they’re generally the same quality. I bought a tab book, and it was translated from Japanese, poorly transcribed, wrong, and the lyrics were phonetic “guesses” at the songs.

Online tabs have always been free. I’ve seen pay-for-tab sites get started, and they never last. Online tabs are often collaborative efforts to figure out how to PLAY the song, not sell them or rip the musician or label or publisher off in any way. It’s not a performance. It’s not a recording. It’s like a NASCAR driver suing someone who posts on an online archive how he shifted and turned the steering wheel in a winning race, or a baseball player suing a sports website for decribing his performance in a game. A tab is a description of a performance, it is not *THE* performance, or a recording of it.

Enough is enough. We ARE close to being sued for humming a song unless we pay a fee. It’s gotten to the point where it’s ILLEGAL to play a song on your guitar in front of anyone, even one person in your living room, and if you do that, you OWE MONEY. Yes, the law CAN support a lawsuit like that, it just has’nt happened yet, the industry has’nt gotten that brazen yet.

I know personally two musicians who have posted trabs of their music online, helped correct wrong ones, and don’t care if people trade them. Are his rights being protected here? What about the musicians who WANT people to be able to access tabs?

It’s just so far over the line in terms of greed. It’s got to stop. The music industry and their greed is killing music. They need to fix their own houses, then they would’nt need to sue for things like this - tabs have been around forever, but because they made money hand over fist they never cared about tabs.


44 posted on 06/04/2007 7:23:34 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: weegee
So if you pay BMI or ASCAP, your bar is protected if any musician covers their material or if someone plays a CD of their protected songs. But none of that money BMI or ASCAP collected will go to the artist because they do not have a record of who to pay it to.

I thought it was divided up in some way, with artists getting some nominal amount annually?
45 posted on 06/04/2007 7:24:36 AM PDT by NorthFlaRebel
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To: ovrtaxt
Van Halen & Led Zeppelin sue Vail nightclub for playing cover songs without licensing
46 posted on 06/04/2007 7:25:45 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: ByDesign
Those OLD songs should be public domain anyway. The artists are dead. The songwriters are dead. The catalogs are not owned by family.

It is all corporate monopoly. The industry’s back catalog is what keeps them solvent.

In Europe, songs that are 50 years old are now considered public domain. But England is eying the eventual release of the Beatles' catalog and "that just can't happen". Good enough for Frank Sinatra and Louis Armstrong but not the Beatles. Nope, have to rewrite the laws NOW.

47 posted on 06/04/2007 7:26:47 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: weegee
Kinda like INNAGADADAVIDA?.........
48 posted on 06/04/2007 7:27:28 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
LOL. Only the RIAA could be behind something so nefarious.

;^)

49 posted on 06/04/2007 7:30:15 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: ByDesign
A tab is a description of a performance, it is not *THE* performance, or a recording of it.

That's a very concise and accurate way to describe it.

In fact, there are different positions on the neck for the same note, and I've seen some tabs which totally miss the right place to play. Then when the position change comes around, you have to be a yoga master to pull it off clean.

Van Halen tabs are notorious for that.

50 posted on 06/04/2007 7:31:28 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I would rather vote for Lindsay Lohan than Lindsey Graham.)
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