Posted on 06/04/2007 8:10:24 AM PDT by Kaslin
The fate of the immigration bill comes down to Senate Republicans' leader, Mitch McConnell, and whether he sides with President Bush and Democratic leaders or with rank-and-file members of his own party.
His choices: Accept Democrats' demands to finish the bill this week without major changes, or rally with his Republicans who say the bill is bad and getting worse, and want more time to fight the proposal.
"The only thing that can save us now is if McConnell made an appeal to Republicans that this thing is out of control and we need to step back from it, and we're not getting the amendments we want," said Sen. Jim DeMint, South Carolina Republican. "He could do that, but I'm not sure where he is right now."
Debate on the bill resumes today, and Republican leaders will have to decide quickly whether to push for a drawn-out debate.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
I do not trust this guy, but there are a lot of Republicans that I do not trust.
If he is the key, we are lost. His point person on the immigration bill is an open-borders guy from Texas. It will be interesting to see which of the Senate Republicans, if any, decide to take him one.
Hmm that's a tough choice: a liberal lame duck president with an approval rating at 28% along with his democratic allies Ted Kennedy and Harry Reid or practically the entire Republican conservative caucus and the base that voted them in. What's it going to be Mitch? Take your time, you got a day to make up your mind.
I use the words "stupid", "traitorous", and "suicidal" to describe the party's approach.
Jam McConnell’s phone today. Be polite.
“Jam McConnell’s phone today. Be polite.”
McConnell, Mitch- (R - KY)
361-A RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2541
Web Form: mcconnell.senate.gov/contact_form.cfm
12 million new voters for the democrats, choice has been made already
I know this much, if he votes for this bill, I know of at least 11 votes he's not going to get next year when he's up for reelection.
The fate of the immigration bill comes down to Senate Republicans’ leader, Mitch McConnell........”The only thing that can save us now is if McConnell made an appeal to Republicans that this thing is out of control and we need to step back from it.......”said Sen. Jim DeMint, South Carolina Republican. “He could do that....”..... Debate on the bill resumes today, and Republican leaders will have to decide quickly...........snipped from:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844535/posts
Jam McConnell’s phone today. Be polite.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844535/posts#6
McConnell, Mitch- (R - KY)
361-A RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2541
mcconnell.senate.gov/contact_form.cfm
I just spoke to a female staff member in McConnell’s office urging the Senator to do everything he can do to stop this bill. I quoted the WT article and referenced Demint’s comments as well as Sen. Cornyn’s opposition. I told the staff member that the ‘08 elections will be disaster for those GOP’ers on the wrong side(amnesty)of this issue. Quite frankly, I had the impression I was speaking to a fence post.
McConnell is a shrewd operator and has come through for Conservatives in the past.
Call his office.
Poll: Bush Base Erodes on Immigration Debate
Fewer than half of Republicans, 45 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll, now approve of how Bush is handling immigration, down from 61 percent in April — that's a 16-point drop in six weeks. Just 35 percent of conservatives approve, down from 48 percent.
Among all Americans, just 29 percent now approve of his handling of immigration, a career low.
That 29% figure is right around what his overall job approval rating is.
Here’s what I sent in to McConnell via email:
“Dear Senator McConnell,
Though I am not a Kentucky resident, I am writing to you in your capacity as the Republican leader in the Senate about the immigration bill that is now being considered. Please note that I have voted Republican in every election since I have been eligible to vote.
I am AGAINST passage of this bill. I am not against immigration at all, having come from a family that immigrated mostly in the 1920’s (and was saved from Hitler’s gas chambers as a result); my wife is also a LEGAL immigrant from Mexico. I want this nation to continue admitting immigrants - but ONLY those who want to become Americans, to speak our language, adopt our customs, obey our laws, educate their children to be good, decent, law-abiding Americans, etc.
Giving amnesty - AND THAT IS WHAT THIS BILL DOES, NO MATTER THE SPIN - to those who have broken our laws, and forgiving their failures to declare income and pay income tax, is utterly UNACCEPTABLE. It rewards unlawful behavior - effectively saying that obeying the law is optional, and the only people who choose that option are stupid for doing so - and it penalizes those who have done things the right way. I have spent nearly $10,000 to LEGALLY get my wife into this country, get her a permanent resident card and get her naturalized. Give me a good reason why I should have obeyed the law in light of this travesty, this abomination, that is being jammed down the throats of the American people.
Senator, DO NOT allow this bill to pass. If you do, I will NEVER donate a single penny to the Republican Party or to the Senatorial or House campaign committees. I will only donate to those who want to preserve the rule of law, to preserve our culture and to reward those who do things the correct and legal way.”
BTW, I’ll be calling him later. I’ve already contacted my Senators (in TX), and will do so again today as a reminder.
I urge everyone who reads this thread to make phone calls, send emails, faxes, etc. We have GOT to stop this thing!
I’ve contacted his office already!
Here’s some more intrigue for the immigration bill debate:
Insiders tell me that there is a movement afoot in the Kalifornia legislature in Sacramento to disolve the Williamson Act.
For those who don’t know what that is: The Wiliamson Act give active AGRICULTURAL land a property tax break. In the fast rising land values- years ago- it was created to keep the land in production, and keep the farmers and ranchers from being bullied by the developers and assessors alike in a squeeze play.
What difference you ask? Besides potentially putting millions of acres of land out of production of the food that you buy each and every day, it will eliminate the “jobs” that the illegals or braceros are alledgely coming to the USA to perform. Farmers and ranchers cannot afford to pay the property taxes assessed “for the best use” which would bring in more and more development and stress the water supplies and contribute to more and more pollution.
So at the same time we are trying to give 40 million or so illegals amnesty, we are wiping out the very jobs they are supposed to be coming here to do. So that potentially puts them on the public dole in far greater numbers.
I swear- the left hand and the right hand in Government NEVER know what the other is doing.
I have called..
I have called..
Me too and he has to got to come through or it’s goodbye 2008.
This is what I wrote
Dear Honorable Senator McConnell,
It is imperative for the survival of the Republican Party that you do not accept the Democrat's proposal to finish the immigration bill this week without any major changes.
The bill is bad without the needed amendments for our party and it is bad for the country.
Sincerely
My real name here
In this case, I wouldn't take any bets on that. We are importing an underclass in order to tax the middle class out of existence IMO.
I called earlier today. Got a machine
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) (202) 224-3135
“McConnell is a shrewed operator...”
Yeah, right. He’d better change sides and fight with all his might against this bill. HE SUPPORTED THE LAST AMNESTY BILL AND HE’LL SUPPORT THIS ONE, UNLESS IT LOOKS LIKE IT’S FOR SURE GOING DOWN. Kentuckians need to review his political contribution records very closely for future ammo RE this amnesty bill.
It’s time for real men and women to start considering taking on McConnell in the primary. Even if he is finally scared in to voting against this perfidious outrage he should be dumped for even hesitating to lead the fight. The damned bill is just that dangerous. Ky needs another 100% real time conservative in the Senate. Badly.
I got through after about the 5th redial, so the phones to his D.C. office are not that busy.
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
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In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred. to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
— John Hancock
“...needed amendments...” my ass. Is this some kind of trick? THE BILL IS BAD IN ITS ENTIRETY.
How about we do this: We’ll give the feds four years TO ENFORCE EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS, INCLUDING FINISHING THE FENCE AND DEPORTING CRIMINAL ALIENS (all illegals are criminals). Then we won’t need the damned bill. If they can’t enforce the laws we have now they won’t enforce the new one.
ping
it's very disappointing that this many conservatives approve of President Bush's handling of immigration. With the seriousness of this issue, I thought more would be informed. This weekend I talked to more neighbors that were fully aware of the destruction this bill will do to our Republic. If anywhere near 35% of conservatives support this, then I don't know how it will be stopped. I hope the poll question skewed the results.
Some of that 35% are probably the Bush die hards while the rest are business owners who hire illegals. The most striking part of that poll is that only 29% overall support this policy, which means a lot of independents and democrats are also against the bill but the democratic leadership ignores them as well because they see millions of new voters coming if this passes.
Most polls are rigged one way or another.
“McConnell is a shrewd operator and has come through for Conservatives in the past.
Call his office.”
I tried for half an hour, constant busy signal. I finally called one of his state offices. I also agree that his staff comes off as ‘could care less’.
“McConnell’s other number, in Minority Leader’s Office;
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) (202) 224-3135”
I called this number, they listened for about one sentence “Good afternoon, I am calling to ask the Senator to not support this Amnesty bill” at which point they hung up.
Got to love our elected ‘leaders’
Bttt!
In the end, Mitch will go with GWB because his wife works for GWB!
29 percent is too high: it should be 10 percent if people were truly informed.
I called today ... several times ... got put on hold ... several times. Never got through, but called my other representatives. Will try again tomorrow.
AN THEN WHUT??????
It’s the Wall St. Journal, money trumps everything crowd.
Re-read my post: ...”and then we won’t need the damned bill.”
THEN WHUT!!!!!!
The Second Amendment exists for just that instance of a broken Constitutional contract on the part of the federal government against the American people.
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