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Deadly clashes spread in Lebanon camps as bomb hits capital
Yahoo News ^ | June 4, 2007 | Muntasser Abdallah

Posted on 06/04/2007 1:11:43 PM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer

“...opened new fronts for the army on Monday...”

Gee - they make this sound like a BAD thing!


21 posted on 06/04/2007 10:42:43 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: NYer

You can compare the lebanese army to the german army under the limitation of its weaponry following the first world war : no tanks, no heavy weaponry, no advanced (then) weapons... That did not forbid this german army to build mock up tanks etc... and conduct extensive training, so that when their industry delivered the first tanks, it was the best European Army.

Now coming back to Lebanon. The government of Lebanon kept the lebanese army at its weaponry of 1990, lacking spare parts, ammunition and modern communications systems. Mr. Rafic Hariri considered during his heading of the government (1992-2004) that he did not need an army, and that the Syrian Army was “necessary, legal and temporary”. Those were his own words. He imposed a compulsory draft so that all the population was distracted from what was really going on. And now, his successor, Mr. Siniora, since June 2005, considered (up till now) that he did not need an army too. He channeled all available funds to create an internal security force that proved politicized and unprofessional. Add to this the limits imposed by the US administration on arming the Lebanese Army. For example the UAE presented the Army with a gift of about 10 Gazelle combat helicopters (do you remember the movie Blue Thunder?), they had to be “demilitarized”, the same goes for the 30-meter gunboats, and you name it... The US has lately provided the lebanese army with a number of the ill-fated hummvees, they could have changed them for body armor and helmets instead.

Now that Al-Qaeda is knocking at the door, C-17 cargo planes are landing in Beirut airport, bringing the necessary tools for this operation and only this one. Yet this is not an aid strictly speaking, it has to be paid for later on. Twisted minds are whispering that these weapons are being split between the Lebanese Army and local milicias endorsed by Washington, as Hezbollah does not need arming. I do not believe them, do you?


22 posted on 06/04/2007 11:28:36 PM PDT by Patrick_k
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To: NYer

I heard it. I am about 4 miles away. One Elie Kayrouz was wounded in the explosion. Another person from Bsharri, from the Tawk family was also hurt.
The explosion did not happen in the bus, but in a car parked next to it for 3 weeks without anybody asking for it.


23 posted on 06/04/2007 11:35:19 PM PDT by Patrick_k
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To: Patrick_k

Seems to me that, if we want to reduce our obligations as policeman of the world, other countries have to get over their end of history delusion and build their own defenses. The worst thing about utop;ian dreamers is that they confuse fantasy with reality especially when it comes to war and peace.


24 posted on 06/05/2007 7:32:03 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Dog
"The summer offensive of the Axis of Evil has now begun..going to be a bumpy ride.."

Could be. I sure would like to see some curious explosions in Syria and Iran...

25 posted on 06/05/2007 7:44:31 AM PDT by eureka! (The 'rats have made their choice in the WOT and honest history will not be kind to them...)
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To: ClaireSolt

The problem with superpowers is that they want to pull all the strings, mount people against each other, and divide to rule.

The western powers created Khomeini and sent him from a Paris suburb to Teheran to topple the best ally the West had at that time. Containment policy of the Soviet Union, they said.

The Qaeda thing, put in place by the Saudis and the US, went out of leach and those who created that monster have to assume their responsibilities. Al Qaeda is using amounts of money counted not in gigas but in teras, coming from the same people who call themselves and the US administration call them “allies”.

Now you cannot stop Al Qaeda unless you eradicate their ideology which happens to be that of the Saudi Wahabi Islam. Nuke Mekka or transform it? It is your deal now. God bless the soul of General Dwight Eisenhower who warned the world from the military industrial complex.

End of History, Francis Fukuyama? may be in another dimension. Like it or not, we all got caught in this spiral called clash of civilizations. BTW civilizations or barbarisms?


26 posted on 06/05/2007 8:33:44 AM PDT by Patrick_k
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You have taken a wide swip at quite a lot of history, and I think you are mostly wrong. To my mind it is more helpful to consider the history of the relations between Islam and the West than to castigate modern leaders too harshly. That history would predict jihad by any ascendant Islam. Rising prosperity creates rising expectations and resentments, and that probably explains our current world better than any other single factor. The income of the poorest has doubled in the last 30 years, and they only want more. In Iraq, btw, average personal income has gone from $10/mo when we invaded to $200/mo now. Talk about destabilizing! The biggest force for change is probqably the TV’s in all those homes bringin in the outside world to people who have been isolated. Not many of them will choose martyrdom over a Mustang.


27 posted on 06/05/2007 9:06:07 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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You cannot measure stability in any remote country just by measuring its average personal income to a scale of Dollars, Euros, Rubles or any currency.
Leaders? let me laugh. These presidents, prime ministers and such are far away from being statesmen like Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Churchill and many others. They assume functions, essential functions on the checkerboard of states, but they are far away with their many blunders from that primordial function of statesmen and leaders.
Then if you talk about rising properties, just consider the ‘prosperity’ of the ‘guardians’ of the faith in Saudi Arabia compared to the large proportion of slums that westerners and kaffirs cannot even see, yet you can notice their proportion now by examining Google Earth. Even for me as a Christian, this kind of injustice in a moslem country is insulting. This is the base of Al Qaeda that is funded by billionnaires like Ben Laden.
As I wrote in another post, I visited Bagdad in 1988. It was heaven with silent yellowish livid faces, not a smile, compared to the hell that is now with its blood and tears...and that wiped out the 2000 years of Christian presence. Not toppling Saddam in 1991 was a grave mistake but not as grave as the situation that resulted from the 2003 war.


28 posted on 06/05/2007 10:23:32 AM PDT by Patrick_k
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Frankly, the words primordial statemen are ludicrous. Much else is silly. You gripe aboup slums but scoff at the effect of rising prosperity. I have no use for people who talk about Heaven in Sadaam’s Baghdad.


29 posted on 06/05/2007 10:31:52 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt

You’ve got your world, I’ve got mine, and we are two continents apart. I do not want to use anybody as you do. Using people is all that you know.


30 posted on 06/05/2007 9:55:39 PM PDT by Patrick_k
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When all else fails, insults show when people can’t discuss anything intelligently because they are spewing propaganda they don’t even understand. Whoever you are and whereever you are, historical analysis requires more than strawmen.


31 posted on 06/06/2007 6:10:05 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: SlowBoat407
I pray the Lebanese Army can crush this latest eruption of the virus that is radical islam. Lebanon has gone from a jewel of the Middle East to a battlefield in one generation, and once again, islam is the cause. These people trash every place they go and turn it into a stinking hellhole fit only for their own rotten, filthy tribes. Everywhere they go, they rip the lid off of hell for all to see into its putrid maw, and I fail to see why anyone still thinks that negotiation, appeasement, and the promise of “peaceful coexistence” are viable approaches to dealing with them and their foul perversion of a religion.

Good use of adjectives!

32 posted on 06/06/2007 6:11:53 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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“Thankls. I guess that is just a part of the bumper sticker GWOT, right?”

LOL


33 posted on 06/07/2007 2:00:29 PM PDT by quant5
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