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Republicans, Democrats negotiate trade to smooth immigration measure's tough road
SouthCoastToday.com ^ | June 5, 2007 | JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS

Posted on 06/04/2007 10:39:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom

WASHINGTON — Republicans and Democrats working to push through a broad immigration measure are weighing a bargain that would trade a tougher legalization road for millions of unlawful immigrants for a better deal for family members of U.S. citizens and permanent residents.

The swap under discussion among senators and the White House could essentially neutralize proposals from opposite sides of the political spectrum that are seen as potentially fatal changes to the bipartisan deal. Congressional aides in both parties described the idea on condition of anonymity because the talks were continuing.

It was just one element of an intense round of horse-trading going on behind the scenes as lawmakers worked to complete the controversial measure.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, wants to require all heads of households of illegal immigrant families to return home before gaining lawful status — not just those seeking green cards, as the bill dictates.

Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., wants to allow hundreds of thousands of people who had applied for permanent legal status by the beginning of the year to get green cards based purely on their family connections — a preference that the bill ends for most relatives who got in line after May 2005.

Congressional and White House officials have been working to strike a compromise that would allow votes on both as early as Tuesday, with the goal of bringing key Republicans and Democrats on board to support the final bill.

The so-called "Gang of 12" critical players who crafted the deal was to meet today to discuss the potential trade and to plot how to handle other major revisions that could otherwise sink their agreement. It will be their first confab since lawmakers returned from a weeklong break where the measure was a hot topic among constituents.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, the lead Democratic negotiator on the measure, is sympathetic to the family changes but concerned that adopting them could cost the bill vital support, aides say.

Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., another architect of the bill, has made ending so-called "chain migration" — immigration based largely on family ties — a top priority. He described the proposals by Menendez and Clinton as "killer amendments" whose passage would prompt him to "do everything I could to get (the bill) defeated."

The bill is facing its steepest challenges yet this week, including a Republican effort to strictly limit the illegal immigrants to whom it would award lawful status.

Top aides in both parties expect a close vote on a proposal by Sen. John Cornyn of Texas to bar illegal immigrants who have defied deportation orders from gaining legal status.

They're also concerned about Democratic efforts to give family connections higher priority in the measure, which for the first time evaluates future arrivals more on education, skills and job experience than on blood ties.

In addition to Menendez's proposal, several Democratic presidential hopefuls have proposed family-related changes.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., is proposing allowing more spouses and minor children of legal permanent residents to immigrate to the U.S., by exempting them from visa caps.

The Senate also is considering a bid by Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., to more than double, to 90,000 a year, the number of green cards available for parents of U.S. citizens.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., plans an attempt to phase out the point system that gives little credit for family ties to a U.S. citizen or permanent legal resident.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, the lead Democratic negotiator on the measure, is sympathetic to the family changes but concerned that adopting them could cost the bill vital support, aides say.

Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., another architect of the bill, has made ending so-called "chain migration" — immigration based largely on family ties — a top priority. He described the proposals by Menendez and Clinton as "killer amendments" whose passage would prompt him to "do everything I could to get (the bill) defeated."

Still, Cornyn has said he is inclined to back Menendez's proposal, since it would give people who have applied for green cards an advantage over those who came to the U.S. illegally.

If accepting it would pave the way for toughening the legalization process — such as by broadening the group of illegal immigrants who must return home or requiring them to do so sooner — then even more Republicans might be able to be brought along.

The measure requires that illegal immigrants seeking green cards wait until an approximately eight-year backlog is cleared before applying, and that heads of household go home to do so. Negotiators have discussed moving up the requirement so that they would have to return home sooner, within two or four years.

The so-called "touchback" requirement, once considered anathema by Democrats, is a key element of the compromise and — along with steep fines for illegal immigrants — a major reason that President Bush and Republican supporters argue the measure's grant of legal status doesn't amount to amnesty.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; illegalaliens; treason

1 posted on 06/04/2007 10:39:55 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Politicalmom

OOOOHHHH! We will give them “steep fines” OOOOHHHH!

DEPORT THEM and fine /arrest all employers of illegals. How hard is that for them to understand??


2 posted on 06/04/2007 10:44:36 PM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Hazcat

Anyone who supports this needs to go.


3 posted on 06/04/2007 10:50:08 PM PDT by conserv8ive1 (Rudy and the Bots...blasting off to oblivion.)
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To: Politicalmom

I suspect they’ll be working this Bill over for the next 20 years to keep the spotlight off of the real world where the illegals will continue to jump the border. Perhaps that’s the real plan.


4 posted on 06/04/2007 10:50:10 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Politicalmom

Negotiating away our country.


5 posted on 06/04/2007 10:55:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A wolf in sheep's clothing is much more dangerous than a wolf in drag.)
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To: Eastbound

Unfortunately I think (hope?) you are right. Make it look like they are doing someting.

In a way that would be better than SHAMNESTY!


6 posted on 06/04/2007 10:56:10 PM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Eastbound
"I suspect they’ll be working this Bill over for the next 20 years to keep the spotlight off of the real world where the illegals will continue to jump the border. Perhaps that’s the real plan."

....getting warmer.

7 posted on 06/04/2007 10:56:45 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Politicalmom
Kyl said he liked at least some of the ideas in Cornyn's amendment (which would disqualify some convicted of crimes and gang members from the amnesty), but said Menendez's amendment is a "deal breaker" (because it re-introduces what Dems call "family reunification" but Kyl calls "chain migration). Kennedy does not want Kyl to walk away from the deal because

1) he might take some others with him

2) he is the "conservative" spokesman for amnesty

This should be very interesting. Get your TIVOs ready this week.


8 posted on 06/04/2007 10:59:10 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: Politicalmom
KY Jelly futures are looking good. We're going to get screwed big time by the petty power brokers in the Senate. Vile bastards. They don't give a damn about our country.
9 posted on 06/04/2007 11:00:50 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Politicalmom
How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico
10 posted on 06/04/2007 11:07:16 PM PDT by sourcery (Democrat: n. 1. Quiche-eating surrender donkey.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Hey you can't discriminate against "some convicted of crimes and gang members from the amnesty"...

That isn't fair to the poor criminals and gang members. Don't you understand Kyl, McCain and Kennedy think they need a fair shot at staying in America too?

11 posted on 06/04/2007 11:16:34 PM PDT by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: Politicalmom
Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, wants to require all heads of households of illegal immigrant families to return home before gaining lawful status — not just those seeking green cards, as the bill dictates.

What exactly does this accomplish? So they go across at the border and come back. So what?

It seems like in a battle of wits with the Rats our side is completely unarmed.

12 posted on 06/04/2007 11:19:28 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: holyscroller

LOL. Makes sense.


13 posted on 06/04/2007 11:19:39 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: Hazcat

It’s just too obvious. They know we are laughing at their attempts to appear that they are serious about passing some kind of a compromise Bill, but they’ll continue debating this until we start throwing veggies at them. Time to give ‘em the ol’ hook and throw ‘em off the stage. All they are doing is running the electric bill up.


14 posted on 06/04/2007 11:39:16 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Politicalmom

bump


15 posted on 06/05/2007 1:02:21 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here. ;-)
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To: Politicalmom

“No Mexican Left Behind”


16 posted on 06/05/2007 1:25:51 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Politicalmom
The idea illegals will pay huge fines is preposterous. They broke laws to be here and they will keep breaking NEW and existing laws as necessary.

This piece of crap bill, a slap in the face to every law-abiding citizen, is designed FOR ONE PURPOSE ONLY.

Employers want to end raids and round-ups of their illegal alien employees who work for nearly nothing.

Those employers are contributors to the Senators and the Senators dance to the tune of those with the payoff money the Senators need to stay in office indefinitely.

The American rule of law is being sacrificed on the altar of cheap labor.

This is the same rationale that has America buying everything possible from the murdering, brutal dictatorship in China.

The American people are supporting the brutal suppression and slavery of a billion people in China because, in doing so, we can have "Always Lower Prices, Always" (Wal-Mart Creed).

17 posted on 06/05/2007 2:07:05 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

It is amazing that we have business people who really believe that we can build a great country by importing more uneducated, unskilled labor.


18 posted on 06/05/2007 4:43:26 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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