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To: TChris
"I've already thought seriously about this legislation, and it passes all the ethical and moral issues that I need passed, and gives people hope," said Watkins, who admitted he is upset about the cardinal’s recent statements.

Well, that may be fine in The Church of Watkins, with its' lower moral standards, but he should not try to force his watered down morality upon God and His Church here on earth. Trying to recreate God in one's own image is a good way to obtain the "hottest ticket in town" if one is not careful. If this legislation passes "all the ethical and moral issues that he needs passed", then he should go start his own church, and quit telling the Catholic Church what it is (and is not) supposed to believe.

The Catholic Church is fully within its' rights to tell its' members that if they continue to engage in certain behaviors, they will be effectively removed from the Church. If these people want to be Catholics, then they need to ACT like Catholics. Otherwise, they should stop calling themselves Catholics, and go find themselves a different Church. God and his Church are not a democracy. These people need to get over themselves.

As far as I remember, the Catholic Church strictly forbids committing evil for the sake of preventing a greater evil (as in grinding up unborn children for their stem cells so that those who have already been lucky enough to dodge the abortion mills can have THEIR diseases cured).

There are three situations in which the Church allows killing, and this is not one of them. The three allowed circumstances where lethal force is permitted, as I recall, are (the wording is my own, "off the top of my head", so it is not "official" - any errors are unintentional, and mine alone):

1. Self-defense, or to defend someone else who is currently being attacked.

2. Members of the military engaged in defending their nation during a JUST war.

3. Captial punishment, when carried out by a legitmate government for legitimate reasons.

As always, if I have gotten any of this wrong, feel free to correct me.
19 posted on 06/07/2007 2:25:53 PM PDT by Zetman (I believe the children are the next generation.)
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  1. Self-defense, or to defend someone else who is currently being attacked.

  2. Members of the military engaged in defending their nation during a JUST war.

  3. Captial punishment, when carried out by a legitmate government for legitimate reasons.

You got two out of three. Capital punishment is not permitted. From Evangelium Vitae Section 48:

In any event, the principle set forth in the new Catechism of the Catholic Church remains valid: "If bloodless means are sufficient to defend human lives against an aggressor and to protect public order and the safety of persons, public authority must limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person".

(i.e. Once you've locked someone up, you've protected public safety with "bloodless means," so executing them is unjustified.)
28 posted on 06/07/2007 3:37:40 PM PDT by Mr. Know It All (Term Limits: Stop us before we vote again!)
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