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Why restrict immigration at all? [BARF Alert!]
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 07 June 2007 | Becky Akers and Donald J. Boudreaux

Posted on 06/07/2007 1:26:19 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Just in time for summer, the Senate is heating things up with immigration reform. The bill it's debating aims to shore up border security and start some 12 million illegal aliens on the path to citizenship. Despite passionate disagreement, voices across the political spectrum concur on two points: They insist the federal government should do something about immigration, and they're sure immigrants threaten American jobs.

People assert these claims as though they're self-evident. But they aren't, as even a basic understanding of the US Constitution and the principles of economics shows. And that means most of the premises about immigration are confused.

Real reform must build on the secure foundation of constitutional and economic truth – not on political talking points.

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: aliens; giuliani; illegalimigration; immigrantlist; immigration; libertarians; noamnestyforillegals
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Long on assertion and emotion, short on actual proof of the "un-Constitutionality" of restricting illegal immigration.
1 posted on 06/07/2007 1:26:21 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

They say there is no Constitutional authorization for controlling the borders. That is lunatic fringe thinking:

Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution

“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.”


2 posted on 06/07/2007 1:29:31 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

This debate seems to divide people into two groups: Those who believe in the concept of the USA as a nation, and those who do not.


3 posted on 06/07/2007 1:29:38 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (A man who will not defend himself does not deserve to be defended by others.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“Congress began barring entry into the nation in 1875 with prostitutes and convicts.” Once the prostitutes and convicts took over the congress in 2006 they opened the floodgates.


4 posted on 06/07/2007 1:30:11 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

It’s amazing how crappy the CSM has become. It used to be credible.


5 posted on 06/07/2007 1:31:53 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: the worlds largest association of hyperemotional 3 year-olds.)
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To: Greg F
Exactly. Additionally, Article I, Sect. 8 clearly gives Congress the power to regulate immigration,

"To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;"

Naturalisation. Doesn't get much more explicit than that, does it?

6 posted on 06/07/2007 1:32:01 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Run Fred RUN!)
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It’s amazing how crappy the CSM has become. It used to be credible.

Not only the CS Monitor, but this is actually the standard, stock-in-fare libertarian argument that the libertarians on FR keep claiming that libertarians never make. Of course, I've heard and seen the argument before from many libertarians, but now we've got a ready example in print to reference.

7 posted on 06/07/2007 1:33:38 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Run Fred RUN!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Some things should be self evident, such as the right of a government to prevent unauthorized entry.

Free immigration advocates should think of the self destructive nature of such a policy. For example if we opened the borders, China could send over 400 million people and declare the U.S. to be a state of China. Then they could round up liberals and use them for organ transplants.


8 posted on 06/07/2007 1:33:56 PM PDT by OK
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To: Jeff Chandler
"This debate seems to divide people into two groups: Those who believe in the concept of the USA as a nation, and those who do not"

Ditto that!

9 posted on 06/07/2007 1:35:10 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama 9-11-01?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
"Why restrict immigration at all?"

Why have a country at all?

10 posted on 06/07/2007 1:35:44 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Well...libertarians are just anarchists who bathe.
11 posted on 06/07/2007 1:36:27 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: the worlds largest association of hyperemotional 3 year-olds.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


12 posted on 06/07/2007 1:39:24 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: OK
Then they could round up liberals and use them for organ transplants.

They'd probably prefer people who had usable organs to transplant. Such as brains.

13 posted on 06/07/2007 1:43:55 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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“It’s amazing how crappy the CSM has become. It used to be credible.”

Last year they were one of the few outlets giving deep analysis to the immigration bill.

But if this one is true, they better tell this all to the National Chamber of Commerce and other business lobbies, because they are needlessly spending 10’s of millions of dollars on “lobbying” for something that will not return savings in depressed wages. Breach of fiduciary duty!!


14 posted on 06/07/2007 1:50:54 PM PDT by Shermy ( Kyl's flip-flop is bigger than all of John Kerry's combined.)
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To: gubamyster

Bttt!


15 posted on 06/07/2007 1:51:19 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

In July of 1984 the Wall Street Journal published an editorial headlined “In Praise of Huddled Masses” in which it advocated “a five-word constitutional amendment: There shall be open borders” calling for the abolition of all immigration controls. What we got was the 1986 bill, which has turned out to not be that much different.


16 posted on 06/07/2007 1:54:42 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They've screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: massgopguy
“Congress began barring entry into the nation in 1875 with prostitutes and convicts.” Once the prostitutes and convicts took over the congress in 2006 they opened the floodgates.

Too funny! And under the current legislation of course, they are once again allowing in the prostitutes and convicts.

17 posted on 06/07/2007 1:58:47 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

>>Long on assertion and emotion, short on actual proof of the “un-Constitutionality” of restricting illegal immigration.<<

Exactly. Note the columnists’ verbal slight of hand; they’re talking about immigration in general, but the debate, as we all know, is about illegal immigration. It’s about aliens who enter our country illegally, and amnesty, financial benefits and, ultimately, citizenship being offered to them by politicians with no more thought than a grocery store hands out free samples.


18 posted on 06/07/2007 1:59:39 PM PDT by KingSnorky
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Just say NO to Amnesty!! Before it’s too late!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


19 posted on 06/07/2007 2:04:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: Jeff Chandler
"Those who believe in the concept of the USA as a nation, and those who do not."

'Those who don't' fits the description of the one-worlders. Pretending to haggle over an immigration bill when they really don't want one in the first place. Let the haggling continue until the outer limits of illegal immigration has been reached -- just in time to co-incide with the official announcement of the the North American Union.

20 posted on 06/07/2007 2:10:31 PM PDT by Eastbound
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