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To: b_sharp
No, what I am asking is if ID posits that there is possibly another completely natural (meaning non-guided) process that can produce the kind of complexity we see in Earthly life, or is anything of that complexity limited to intelligent design?

Based on my understanding, I think the answer is NO. And here's my question to you --- what other unguided process (other than random mutation plus natural selection ) can you think of that could possibly explain the complexity of life ?

OK, I can assume by this then that all Earthly life exhibits signs of CSI, is that correct?

YES I think it is correct to say that.

How can we objectively identify and measure CSI? How is the determination and detection of design done?

I refer you to a lecture given by William Dembski in response to this question. He says things better than I ever could. See here :

http://www.arn.org/docs/dembski/wd_anotherwaytodetectdesign.htm
257 posted on 06/22/2007 9:41:42 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
"Based on my understanding, I think the answer is NO. And here's my question to you --- what other unguided process (other than random mutation plus natural selection ) can you think of that could possibly explain the complexity of life ?"

I'm not sure, but I'm hardly an exquisite original thinker. My question was/is an attempt to build a path through ID that does not ultimately source from some God. I'm not sure that it can be done, it seems to me that,logically at least, ID has to end up with some supernatural initiator.

Of course that does not mean that ID cannot develop an objective, reliable methodology to differentiate Specified complexity from unspecified complexity which would be independent of the source of complexity.

My interest is in how that can be done without relying on purely subjective criteria. If ID is restricted to just 'proving' that evolution could not accomplish the same thing then it is not showing that ID is the only possible alternative. There must a methodology used by ID that is completely independent of Evolution

"I refer you to a lecture given by William Dembski in response to this question. He says things better than I ever could. See here :

http://www.arn.org/docs/dembski/wd_anotherwaytodetectdesign.htm"

Let me digest this before I get back to you.

259 posted on 06/22/2007 10:29:11 AM PDT by b_sharp (The last door on your right. Jiggle the handle. If they scream ignore it. Leave no quarter.)
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