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Solution to illegal immigration problem is to go after employers
The Columbia (Missouri) Tribune ^ | Sunday, June 10, 2007 | CHRIS KELLY

Posted on 06/10/2007 8:39:55 AM PDT by rface

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To: Wonder Warthog
If they're hiring illegal aliens, they've already made criminals out of themselves.

Oh, please! We hire police to track down criminals. Would you fine/imprison some business owner who turns out to have hired a bank robber or a child molester? It's not reasonable to expect a farmer, etc., to be come a document expert. We have huge numbers of government employees whose JOB it is to rid us of these people, and they don't do it They are the ones who should be strung up.

ML/NJ

61 posted on 06/10/2007 9:31:15 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: lentulusgracchus; Carry_Okie

>>Pass a law that says that the children of illegals are not citizens.

If you do that, the problem population balloons to something over 30 million.<<

No, that law would apply only to future births. You can’t revoke citizenship like that.

But you can bet that the ACLU and others would say that law violates the 14th amendment, and there would be a long court battle. I don’t know who would win that battle — there are arguments on both sides.


62 posted on 06/10/2007 9:31:56 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: RoadGumby
Secure the Borders

Enforce the Existing Laws

Deport as ILLEGALS are found

Repeat as necessary

De-fund sanctuary cities !

63 posted on 06/10/2007 9:32:32 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

Mr. President, Tear Down This Immigration Bill
http://www.orthodoxnet.com/articles/Banescu/MrPresident_Tear_Down_This_Bill_2007-06-05.php


64 posted on 06/10/2007 9:33:45 AM PDT by ezfindit (OrthodoxNet.com - Shining the Light of Wisdom and Truth)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
By law hospital emergency rooms have to treat...regardless of whether you can pay or not.

Oh, twaddle. By LAW the people whom I am speaking of are not allowed to be here at all.

ML/NJ

65 posted on 06/10/2007 9:34:24 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: RKV

Did you even read the article before posting this? That is exactly (not the amount) what the article says. It is simple, click on the excerpt thing on the bottom to see the full article.


66 posted on 06/10/2007 9:34:40 AM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: pnh102
the IRS actually does part of the verification job for them because the IRS will tell employers if an SSN turns up fake.

This may be what is supposed to happen, but I would be surprised if any goverment agency does anything right. I do not believe they want to enforce new or existing laws and never will. Now, am I cynical of government or what? :=)

Regards.

67 posted on 06/10/2007 9:38:32 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: ridesthemiles

The laws are on the books for employers to have to ascertain the status of prospective employees. They must fill out a form called an I-9 and look at documents provided my the applicant.
The biggest problem with that is that the phony parers and cards are VERY good. Some Soc Sec cards I have seen are better than my own, and I know that is legal!!!


Isn’t there already in operation a verification process that the employer can use and which if he does not use it makes him/her liable for hiring an illegal and subject to fines etc?


68 posted on 06/10/2007 9:38:41 AM PDT by amihow
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To: rface
The way to do that is to establish a civil cause of action that permits a private citizen to sue any employer who hires an illegal alien.

I've been advocating that for a long time. There are a lot of people who care passionately about this issue and they'll spend their own money doing something about it. They just need something effective and legal to do.

But it won't succeed on its own. There must be a clear cut way for employers to tell if a potential employee is legal. A guest worker program is also needed so they have a legitimate way to get the labor they need. Another idea to magnify the effectiveness of the civil suit approach is to let illegals be whisteblowers and reap a share of the judgement. That would drive a deep wedge between illegals and potential employers.

The flow in would stop and many illegals would leave which a fence will not do. We probably wouldn't need to build a physical barrier so there'd be a bunch more money for port security etc.

69 posted on 06/10/2007 9:39:18 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: ml/nj
"Oh, please! We hire police to track down criminals. Would you fine/imprison some business owner who turns out to have hired a bank robber or a child molester?

Oh, please, yourself. It's not illegal to have hired either a bank robber or child molester (I assume once they've served their sentences). It "is" illegal to hire "undocumented Americans".

"It's not reasonable to expect a farmer, etc., to be come a document expert."

OH, PLEASE. If you had even a remote clue to the amount of federal documentation ANY farmer has to go through to understand the various federal agricultural programs, you wouldn't make that statement. Verifying the legality of workers is trivial next to THAT load.

"We have huge numbers of government employees whose JOB it is to rid us of these people, and they don't do it They are the ones who should be strung up."

And if the EMPLOYERS don't provide the information, how are those government employees ever going to know??? Don't be stupid.

70 posted on 06/10/2007 9:40:31 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: pnh102

>>If I remember right, he said it is impossible to enforce this because it is illegal to hire illegal aliens, but it is illegal for emplyers to check to see if their papers are false or not.

Juan Kyl is just making more excuses. Every employer in this country must obtain documents verifying immigration status on employees as it is. If they do withholding for taxes (which many criminal employers of illegals don’t bother with, because it is just a pesky business expense anyway), then the IRS actually does part of the verification job for them because the IRS will tell employers if an SSN turns up fake.<<

What if it’s valid but used by different people? BTW one of Chertoff’s touted “triggers” for the amnesty bill, the new “EEVS,” does not seem to fix that problem either. But even if EEVS did work, why would they need amnesty? I guess the answer is that is Teddy and George demand it.


71 posted on 06/10/2007 9:40:38 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: rface
The way to alleviate the problem is go to its root cause: jobs. Prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants. The way to do that is to establish a civil cause of action that permits a private citizen to sue any employer who hires an illegal alien. Provide for a fine to be paid by the employer to the citizen who brings the lawsuit, and make the employer pay the legal cost of the successful plaintiff. People will be on the lookout for illegal hiring. Lawyers will be eager to bring suits. The government will not have to enact a single regulation or hire a single person. Taxpayers will pay nothing. As soon as the suits start being successful, employers will stop hiring illegal workers. As the jobs evaporate, the flow will stop.

That's a great idea. One simple thing we can also do is call the Home Depot and Lowe's stores that allow illegals to congregate, and tell them that we won't do business there as long as they allow groups of lawbreakers to assemble in their parking lot.

72 posted on 06/10/2007 9:44:23 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: rface
Make it easy for employers to check SS#s If names and #s don't match.....and if the problem isn't just a clerical error, then that individual shouldn't be hired.

I agree, but I can tell you in the southwestern states most HR departments are 100% Hispanic because of these dopey "you must be bilingual so you don't offend anyone" policies. I have a feeling that any loopholes that exist are exploited by the HR person out of camaraderie with the prospective employee.
73 posted on 06/10/2007 9:47:07 AM PDT by JayNorth
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To: JayNorth

then the HR person is putting the company at high risk


74 posted on 06/10/2007 9:54:28 AM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: Mark was here
I am always amazed at those who want to put the burden of playing border patrol on employers.

Employers are one of the chief magnets for illegals. I have sympathy for them in not being able to run SSN's through a database to find out who's legal, and who's not, but the same system should be mandated for any other magnet, such as schools, hospitals, etc.

Cut off the gravy train, and the illegals have no incentive to stay. The wall is a fundamental part of the solution to the problem, but so are measures designed to eliminate the illegals that are already here.

75 posted on 06/10/2007 9:56:27 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
And if the EMPLOYERS don't provide the information, how are those government employees ever going to know??? Don't be stupid.

I guess that's me, really stupid.

But using your logic, employers don't have to worry because without them the police would never know.

(And BTW, Sherlock, I wasn't referring to bank robbers and child molesters who had already done their time. I was referring to ones not yet apprehended. I guess I thought this obvious.)

ML/NJ

76 posted on 06/10/2007 9:57:03 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: rface

We need only enforce the laws as they are. Fine the employers, kick the illegals out of our schools, out of the welfare system, out of our hospitals, and take the shackles off of law enforcement and border patrol to do their job. Prosecute the ones how falsify documents and steal SS numbers. Put the ones convicted in in desert jails when caught to serve their time, eating peanut butter sandwiches in open tents behind barbed wire fences. They can have all the tap water they want to drink. If they riot, shoot to kill.

Presto chango! Illegals gone.


77 posted on 06/10/2007 9:58:33 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: rface

NO COMPROMISING!!! BUILD THE DOUBLE FENCE - ALL OF IT; DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN FELONS; ABSOLUTELY NO AMERICAN TAXPAYER SUPPORTED WELFARE, SSI, FOOD STAMPS OR HEALTH BENEFITS; HEAVY FINES FOR EMPLOYERS OF ALIENS NOT ON TEMPORARY WORKER VISAS.

THESE THINGS ARE NOT TO BE QUESTIONED. THERE MAY BE OTHERS.


78 posted on 06/10/2007 10:09:23 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: vietvet67
>>>Where’s the fence? National TV ad.<<<

Arguably the best political ad of the century! The "Where's DA Fence" Granny is priceless.

79 posted on 06/10/2007 10:10:58 AM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out of Qurans)
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To: ridesthemiles

Jail illegal employers. Fine them, and give rewards to people who turn in illegal employers. Stop all social aid to illegals but emergency services. The problem would go away, but not before our Nixonian Republicans and corporate Socialists manage to convince a lot of brainwashed people that the sky is going to fall if illegals don’t hold it up.


80 posted on 06/10/2007 10:13:06 AM PDT by pallis
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