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To: rface

I am always amazed at those who want to put the burden of playing border patrol on employers. Like they are some branch of the government just waiting to do it’s bidding. It is like a local government requiring a developer to institute a “Home Owners Association” in order to get building permits. The HOA then does the bidding of the local government, to satisfy all the control freaks. The control freaks do not care about anything being privately owned, they’re just interested in controlling it.
If we are to burden some citizens with the loss of their liberty if they do not play Border Patrol when conducting commerce, why not treat every citizen equally and threaten every citizen with the loss of their liberty if they do not play Border Patrol when conducting commerce?

If folks who sold illegals food, clothing, housing, medicine or gasoline faced sanctions for doing so, the illegals could not survive up here.

Trading services for cash is really no different than trading cash for services. It’s like saying that a Whore is bad but the John is not. The Whore and the John are both engaged in commerce.


27 posted on 06/10/2007 8:59:04 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Mark was here
too bad.

Employers use the SS system when they hire - and they have a responsibility to reasonably ensure that names and numbers match...the government should make sure that this process is simple and effective.

The employers aren't guarding the border....they are either going to be part of the solution - or continue to be part of the problemo

38 posted on 06/10/2007 9:06:29 AM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: Mark was here

Employers get the benefit of illegal labor, therefore they are logically the ones to bear the cost of checking the legal status of their employees. This is in fact the case at law right now. Its just that we don’t enforce existing law.


42 posted on 06/10/2007 9:11:57 AM PDT by RKV
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To: Mark was here

I agree with you. And I can tell you that the system of making every employer a tax collector has driven millions of entrepreneurs underground courtesy of a ruthless IRS. Not every Jose with a lawnmower is capable of complying with all the redtape. Nor are the individuals who hire nannies, landscapers and day labor. I think employer verification is important, but I think it only applies to about 20% of illegals.


48 posted on 06/10/2007 9:22:22 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Mark was here
"I am always amazed at those who want to put the burden of playing border patrol on employers."

You mean like those who "want to put the burden of playing tax collector on employers". Sorry, dude, but THAT principle has already been established. So your argument is bogus.

54 posted on 06/10/2007 9:26:11 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Mark was here
I am always amazed at those who want to put the burden of playing border patrol on employers.

Employers are one of the chief magnets for illegals. I have sympathy for them in not being able to run SSN's through a database to find out who's legal, and who's not, but the same system should be mandated for any other magnet, such as schools, hospitals, etc.

Cut off the gravy train, and the illegals have no incentive to stay. The wall is a fundamental part of the solution to the problem, but so are measures designed to eliminate the illegals that are already here.

75 posted on 06/10/2007 9:56:27 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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