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Pub patio heaters for smokers will produce 'as much pollution as a small city'
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | June 10, 2007 | DAVID DERBYSHIRE

Posted on 06/10/2007 5:28:10 PM PDT by Stoat

Pub patio heaters for smokers will produce 'as much pollution as a small city'

By DAVID DERBYSHIRE - More by this author » Last updated at 22:00pm on 10th June 2007

 

patio heater

Pubs are installing patio heaters in outdoor smoking areas

Patio heaters installed by pubs to keep smokers warm on chilly nights could soon produce as much carbon dioxide as a small city, it has been claimed.

Next month's smoking ban has triggered huge demand for the gas-fired heaters from pubs, restaurants and clubs creating legal outdoor smoking areas.

But according to experts, a single heater releases more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year than the average fuel-hungry "Chelsea tractor" - a large 4x4 car.

They estimate the additional patio heaters bought by pubs this year could produce up to 320,000 additional tons of carbon dioxide.

This equates to a "substantial chunk" of the annual reduction in greenhouse gases needed to meet Britain's Kyoto targets and close to the carbon emissions from every home in a city the size of Bath.

Although some DIY stores have banned patio heaters, tens of thousands of pubs have added them to gardens and outdoor areas to keep smokers happy.

"It's pretty sad that keeping warm while you have a cigarette is more important than tackling climate change, especially in a country familiar with simpler remedies to chilly evenings such as the woolly jumper," said Ben Tuxworth, of the environmental charity Forum for the Future.

The findings come from British Gas, which studied the impact of pub patio heaters as part of its energy saving campaign. It found half of all pubs in Scotland bought at least one patio heater after the smoking ban in March 2006. Many bought several.

 

With a single heater releasing almost four tons of greenhouse gases a year, the patio heaters installed in Scotland produced up to 10,000 tons of carbon dioxide in their first year, the company said.

British Gas estimates a minimum of 40,000 heaters will be bought for the July 1 deadline by English pubs.

That would produce around 160,000 additional tons of carbon.

If pubs buy two, the emissions would rise to 320,000 - the equivalent to the annual domestic carbon output of a small city. The estimates are based on Government findings that a typical commercial patio heater is used for around five hours a day, 237 days a year.

Jon Kimber, the company's spokesman on energy efficiency, said many homes were working hard to improve their energy efficiency.

"There has been a real step change in people's concerns about reducing their impact on the environment and it's worrying to see these efforts cancelled out by a sudden boom in patio heater sales," he said.

Earlier this year the garden chain Wyevale stopped selling patio heaters after pressure from environmental campaigners. According to Friends of the Earth, the energy used by a heater in one hour is the equivalent of boiling a kettle enough times to make 400 cups of tea.

Friends of the Earth director Tony Juniper said: "Patio heaters waste energy and inflict unnecessary damage on the environment.

"Ministers must do more to get their climate strategy back on track. It's time to ban the sale of these metal monstrosities."

The smoking ban in indoor public spaces begins on July 1 in England. Wales and Northern Ireland introduced their bans earlier this year.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antismoking; cigar; climatechange; england; environazis; environment; globalwarming; govwatch; greatbritain; puff; pufflist; smokers; smoking; uk; unitedkingdom
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We all saw this coming...with the popularity and acceptance in popular culture and the media of treating smokers as vermin,  no "solution" to the smoking issue will ever be acceptable to the antismoking and enviro Nazis other than a total ban on all tobacco products, sales and usage.   Outdoor heaters will also be banned,  but there will always be 'some' villain, as far as these pressure groups are concerned....a total victory would put them out of  (a very lucrative) business.

Earlier this year the garden chain Wyevale stopped selling patio heaters after pressure from environmental campaigners

I suppose that if I were the owner of Wyevale's and woke up one morning to find my beloved pet decapitated on my front lawn with a note attached:" Your family is next!  Stop selling outdoor heaters!" I would probably feel that it's a whole lot easier to drop one out of thousands of products that I carry.

1 posted on 06/10/2007 5:28:13 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

The only thing to be said is, “LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...”


2 posted on 06/10/2007 5:30:26 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Stoat

Those heaters attract filthy disease ridden smokers much like trash attracts rats. LOL


3 posted on 06/10/2007 5:31:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: GOP_Lady

My reaction exactly.


4 posted on 06/10/2007 5:31:50 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Stoat

Thye just HATE smokers, period!


5 posted on 06/10/2007 5:35:17 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: tiki

Maybe I can buy some carbon credits from Algore so that my husband can use his space heater in the garage.


6 posted on 06/10/2007 5:36:07 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Stoat

Pay me $10,000 per year (+/-; negotiable) and I will certify that I will not use any of these heaters, thereby providing carbon offsets for all of these fine citizens, thereby allowing continued use with a clear conscience.


7 posted on 06/10/2007 5:36:08 PM PDT by alancarp (How many millions have to break a law before it's inconvenient to enforce?)
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To: Stoat

If patio heaters are outlawed, only outlaws will have patio heaters.


8 posted on 06/10/2007 5:37:49 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (These are my principals. If you don't like them, I have others.)
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To: Stoat

With a single heater releasing almost four tons of greenhouse gases a year
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These heaters run off of a standard 20# propane tank ,, I’m guessing that it would be in use (at most) perhaps 6 months a year for a total of about 3600# of fuel burn a year ... and in England with petrol at $5-$6/gallon I’m sure propane is right up there too, no $12 tank fills there.. so the greenies are saying it creates 2x by weight in CO2 of the fuel input?? it doesn’t compute for me.. but then again I like things warm and have no problem with climate change.


9 posted on 06/10/2007 5:39:13 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Stoat
It's pretty sad that keeping warm while you have a cigarette is more important than tackling climate change...

The.
Climate.
Is.
Going.
To.
Change.

Deal.
With.
It.

10 posted on 06/10/2007 5:42:23 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: GOP_Lady

Well said.


11 posted on 06/10/2007 5:42:26 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: martin_fierro
Cigar Ping


12 posted on 06/10/2007 5:42:30 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Patio heaters installed by pubs to keep smokers warm on chilly nights could soon produce as much carbon dioxide as a small city, it has been claimed.

On the bright side, if these heaters cause enough global warming, then they won't need them anymoree.

13 posted on 06/10/2007 5:45:40 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Stoat
I noticed a few patio heaters on Paris Hilton’s patio when she was getting picked up and brought back to court. Maybe this is why he judge is so upset!
14 posted on 06/10/2007 5:50:28 PM PDT by jackieaxe (This one hour pre-flight security screening is brought to you by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia)
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To: Gabz; SheLion
Ping


15 posted on 06/10/2007 5:51:30 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

One thing that I’ve noticed:

Folks (such as myself) banished to the smoking patios seem to have more fun than the patrons cooped-up inside (they don’t want to associate with the dirty smokers). I attribute the jocularity to being outside and enjoying the elements.


16 posted on 06/10/2007 5:54:49 PM PDT by goarmy ("The Washington Post was a little more sophisticated with their ignorance." -Michael Steele)
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To: Stoat

Where be the sane men?


17 posted on 06/10/2007 5:54:53 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Stoat

Carbon dioxide is not a problem! When will the Dioxophobia end?


18 posted on 06/10/2007 6:13:30 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Neidermeyer
so the greenies are saying it creates 2x by weight in CO2 of the fuel input??

Two moles of C4H10 weighs 116 grams (48+10 each). They will combine with 13 moles of O2 weighing 416 grams (32 each) to yield ten moles of H2O weighing 180 grams (18 each) and eight moles of CO2 weighing 352 grams (44 each).

Thus, burning 3,600 pounds of propane would produce about 10,924 pounds of CO2.

19 posted on 06/10/2007 6:14:35 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: cripplecreek
Those heaters attract filthy disease ridden smokers much like trash attracts rats.

Don't worry, they will soon be illegal throughout the UK and Europe, and the USA will be next for the EnviroJihadists.

Friends of the Earth director Tony Juniper said: "Patio heaters waste energy and inflict unnecessary damage on the environment.

"Ministers must do more to get their climate strategy back on track. It's time to ban the sale of these metal monstrosities."

 

20 posted on 06/10/2007 6:14:46 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
I think it is time to rebel against all these so called activists.  The keep coming up with this nonsense and offer no solutions other then do it our way.  So lets take them all out back hang them and problem solved he he.....
21 posted on 06/10/2007 6:16:15 PM PDT by Shots (If you see Known Illegal Immigrants it is your civic duty to report them)
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To: unixfox
Thye just HATE smokers, period!

They will be delighted to 'hate' any group that they can cast as a bogeyman under the umbrella of Political Correctness and drive it to extinction while smugly braying to all that they have the moral high ground....enriching themselves in the process, of course.

22 posted on 06/10/2007 6:20:33 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Use
electric
heaters
instead
of
gas.



(I don't know why I am posting in this insipid and annoying 'haiku' style)
23 posted on 06/10/2007 6:23:54 PM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: Stoat
All nanny-staters must hang.


24 posted on 06/10/2007 6:25:06 PM PDT by M203M4 (Vote Fruity Giuliani or the terrists will win! Abortion & gun control = price for freedumb!)
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To: Stoat

It seems like the most environmentally-friendly way to live my life is sitting in a chair all day, using the least calories possible.


25 posted on 06/10/2007 6:30:48 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Stoat; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ...

I don’t know if I should call this a Law of Unintended Consequences or Smokers Blamed for Everything ping to the Nanny state list!!!!!!!

Have at it boys and girls - this one is a pip!


26 posted on 06/10/2007 6:39:11 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: alancarp
Pay me $10,000 per year (+/-; negotiable) and I will certify that I will not use any of these heaters, thereby providing carbon offsets for all of these fine citizens, thereby allowing continued use with a clear conscience.

This would send a message that Britons have 'rights', which is an idea that cannot be allowed to gain a foothold.

They would prefer to simply ban outdoor heaters while keeping tobacco legal but nearly impossible to use.  This gives them greater taxation leverage.

The maintenance of widespread fear is essential, so every now and then the jackbooted AntiSmoking or Enviro Police will kick down the door of a pub and arrest all in attendance for 'suspected environmental law violations'.

Goebbels and Himmler would jump up and down with delight.

27 posted on 06/10/2007 6:40:18 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Gabz

Thank you for pinging your list   :-)

 

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28 posted on 06/10/2007 6:42:42 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Diogenes is looking for one of them too.

F


29 posted on 06/10/2007 6:43:26 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Stoat

Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant no matter what the evironazi’s say. We would die without it (after the plants died first of course).


30 posted on 06/10/2007 7:09:09 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: Mogollon

evironazi=environazi


31 posted on 06/10/2007 7:09:51 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: Mogollon
Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant no matter what the evironazi’s say. We would die without it (after the plants died first of course).

Wasn't it President Reagan who got into trouble over stating similarly sound scientific facts?

I think that he was lambasted by the Left for mentioning the gases that are put out by trees, until it was shown that he was correct, of course.  Then the 'gaffe' magically disappeared from the headlines.

(and of course there were no apologies from those who had mocked him)

32 posted on 06/10/2007 7:16:31 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Mogollon

Paris Hilton has two by the pool.


33 posted on 06/10/2007 7:22:55 PM PDT by Oystir
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To: Stoat

I thought trees take in CO2 and produce oxygen. Am I wrong?


34 posted on 06/10/2007 7:31:24 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: the anti-liberal
I thought trees take in CO2 and produce oxygen. Am I wrong?

No, not at all.  I believe that Reagan mentioned other gases which trees also produce, some of which are regarded by some as 'pollutants'.

 

35 posted on 06/10/2007 7:35:43 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Another unintendted consequence of liberalism...


36 posted on 06/10/2007 7:37:20 PM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: Stoat

you have got to be kidding me? Some more junk science about global warming.


37 posted on 06/10/2007 7:38:58 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: Gabz

38 posted on 06/10/2007 7:44:21 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Quisling Eye For The Treasonous Guy, now playing at a theater near you ~ )
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To: Stoat
So, environmentalist will burn down trees (arboretums), killing trees, then call for world wide reduction of CO2, which trees breathe in order to stay alive (giving us oxygen).

I guess they really have it in for the trees, don't they.

Are these people going to save the planet by destroying the planet? Talk about insane in the membrane!

39 posted on 06/10/2007 7:50:12 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: lndrvr1972
you have got to be kidding me? Some more junk science about global warming.

The jackbooted EnviroJihadists are deadly serious when it comes to manufacturing a rationale for separating you from your tax money, increasing the spread of the cancer known as Socialism and doing everything they can to destroy Western culture.  This is their bread and butter and it's no joking matter for them at all.

40 posted on 06/10/2007 7:54:03 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: the anti-liberal
Are these people going to save the planet by destroying the planet?

They will only be happy when all evidence of Western culture including economics, culture, people and industry, are wiped off the face of the planet.

At that point they can happily move to Red China, Cuba, or another failed State that embraces the Socialist Miracle, where they will be greeted as heroes and have schools and roads named after them.

 

41 posted on 06/10/2007 7:59:18 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
I'll say it and post it for the 23rd out of 2,120,000 times (or until normal non smoking fellow citizens get it, whichever comes first). INCREASING THE NUMBER OF SMOKE FREE ENVIRONMENTS is not designed to protect anyone from harmless drifting tobacco smoke...It's designed to accomplish the goal of DECREASING PUBLIC TOLERANCE FOR TOBACCO USE as per the 1993 ASSIST study. We are all, smokers and non smokers alike, just Guineau Pigs in a social engineering experiment.


42 posted on 06/10/2007 8:09:18 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Stoat
All they have to do is vote Hillary or Obama into the WH and they won't have to move to Red China, Cuba, Valenzuela, et al., they can stay right here, at home.

Then the destruction of Western Civ. can proceed merrily along. Environmentalist on one front, colonization from the south on another front, Islamic fanatics and Sharia law on yet another, and finally, Socialist Liberals in the House, the Senate, the Executive, and in the Judiciary.

Oh, what fun that'll be!

That reminds me of the whole thing with 'red'=conservative and 'blue'=liberal; my understanding is that it used to be the other way around, which would be more fitting, but that the MSM somehow or other switched them around - anyway, my thought was this: 'red' = red blooded patriots, 'blue' = blue faced whiny socialists.

43 posted on 06/10/2007 8:15:54 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: the anti-liberal
the MSM somehow or other switched them around

I think that it happened first during the TV "coverage" of the 1994 elections...they didn't want to associate the Dems with their spiritual leaders, the commies, and so they switched them around intentionally.

44 posted on 06/10/2007 8:19:46 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Mogollon

Not only is CO2 NOT a pollutant, it’s a trace gas. It is a slight greenhouse gas. It is not causing global warming.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NBO2IstMi2A


45 posted on 06/10/2007 8:26:13 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: Stoat

Too bad it stuck.


46 posted on 06/10/2007 8:27:00 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping!


47 posted on 06/10/2007 8:34:10 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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What the Hell does tobacco smoking have to with Global Warming? Oh wait, now I get it!


48 posted on 06/10/2007 8:54:41 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

LMAO! Great one! :-)


49 posted on 06/10/2007 9:16:26 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Thanks.


50 posted on 06/10/2007 9:17:28 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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