Posted on 06/10/2007 6:38:21 PM PDT by kathsua
[We do deal with “how these organizms lived and died,their diet, environment, social structure, culture,” but it is humans and human cultures we are dealing with, not fossils.]
By watchign video cassettes of them in action no doubt— als by reading newspapaers that are dated about 66 million years old which show pictures of dinos and macro-evolving oprganisms- after all [And, that science is verifiable, which divine revelation is not.] Yup- no assumptions whatsoever- just verify evolution by watching millions year old Videos.
Believe what you want, but don’t call it science.
What is the point of arguing belief? People will believe what they want. If their belief is strong enough, no logic or proof will shake it. In many instances the strength of their belief is viewed as a virtue. This is a good thing or a bad thing, depending on which side of the discussion you’re on.
oh wait, and don’t forget the 60 million year old eyewitnesses that can verify all the hypothesis of evolution. You know, those faolks that witnessed wolves taking to the sea, lizards leaping into the air and hten later developing wings because of the ‘need’ to feed in an environment other than the ground etc etc. Yup- Plenty of investigating reporters were on the scene back then witnessing actual events as they unfolded.
You see folks- Evo scientists are allowed to look at old bones, make up some elaborate story, and call it science- However, ID’ers aren’t allowed to point out factual design in nature- point to the many instances of it, point out that it is irreducibly complex, without being accused of infering *gasp* that there might just perhaps be a disigner behind the design. Harumph... Why that thar is religion! Psuedo-science-Apologetics!
and what kind of logic ignores biological impossibilities, and tries to brush aside specific complexities, and ignores mathematical impossibilities? There is plenty of logic to strengthen faith IF one isn’t adverse to throwing off the dogma embroidered blinders.
One of the beauties of faith is that it asks to make the jump beyond logic.
And here's the crux of the issue. Many scientists are not encouraging questioning of their belief in Macroevolution.
They are being hypocrites because they need Macroevolution to support their religion (see worldview), and will defend it tooth and nail dogmatically and with zeal.
At least Creationists accept that religion/worldview is a component of why they support Creationism. Macroevolutionists should be so forthcoming.
p.s.
If you apply the same criteria to faith as you do to science, then the faith dies. And that is not a good thing.
Prediction before reading beyond comment 1: at least a few Macroevolutionists are going to make snide comments about the religion/relgion typo and Creationists' intelligence.
A big thing is, that science can almost completely function without even delving into origins. There's little reason on a scientific level for why Macroevolutionists are willing to fight so irrationally hard on this issue to the point where it becomes blindly obvious that Macroevolution has become for them an article of faith.
P.S. Personal opinion is that bringing global warming/climate change into this isn't good for 'the cause.'
“Evolution is anti-God. Nothing real about it.
There seem to be fewer and fewer of us at FR who see that. It is indeed a diabolical way to make people see Scripture as irrelevant and incorrect and quaint.”
Amen to people wising up to the fact that Scripture is irrelevant and incorrect and quaint !
Here it is again (not intending to mudsling you, just this very common comment).
Science and Macroevolution are not interchangable. At most, Macroevolutionists would believe that Macroevolution is a tiny subset of science, particularly in the biology and astronomy fields.
later read
“The long odds are that the universe, like God, is eternal, and the creation stories you read both in the bible and in other antique literature refer to the creation of our own local environment, and not the universe.”
Nice try, but incorrect. The creation myth in Genesis does not pertain only to “our own local environment.” In Genesis 1, the Earth was created with the rest of the universe on Day One, even before light was created and the distinction between night and day. The “sky” was created on Day Two, and the sun and the moon on the fourth day. The whole thing is pretty whacky.
No it wasn't,...in fact, it goes out of it's way tell you exactly the opposite.
Here's the relevant passages
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
The key phrase here is: without form, and void. It's long been known by philosophers that a thing has two basic and essential qualities:
1...its shape, or structure.
2...and its substance
Genesis 1 tells us the the earth was without both of these in the beginning of creation. The fact that it simply mentions does not mean the exact opposite. That would be ludicrous.
In fact, given that Genesis 1 does comment on such clear, philosophical logic, it makes the notion that it was invented by ignorant bronze age goat herders all the more absurd.
Sorry for the few syntax errors in my last post....it’s late, and I’m tired.
stormer, your comment (to which 138 is a response) can just as easily be leveled at Macroevolutionists. Actually, at face value, it seemed that you were referring to Macroevolutionists, but see that you are one of them.
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