Posted on 06/12/2007 3:22:43 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
Great post.
I think that it’s fair to ask the government to show the good faith by enforcing well and tightening down on the requirements.
But it’s also a risk because by demanding an enforcement period, we go to the next congress and President and we don’t know if we will be in a better or worse position.
You nailed it in a lot less text than I did! :) If an illegal alien is here, and he’s working, and making an OK living (to him), and generally safe and content and things are going well...why should he apply for a visa? Why should he pay a fine? Why should he go through the hassle? He doesn’t NEED legal status.
That’s why the only reasonable option is enforcement first, to weed out the ones just here for a free ride, and then we can look at the ones that actually want to work toward becoming AMERICANS, not just Mexicans (or others) living in America.
}:-)4
I just asked where I could send money to the person running against him in the next election.
evad, everyone severely poo’d the scrooch on this one, including the people that are enforcement only. Not because of their views, but because of their actions.
If there’s a trust problem, it’s a two way trust problem at this point.
“How much do you figure a good border fence might cost?”
Slam a 20% tax on the 3+ billion a year in remittances sent back to Messico through Western Union.
That is a gamble? THAT is a gamble?
How utterly silly.
There is very little doubt that pubbies will lose more seats if they pass this bill than if they don’t. That ain’t a gamble by any stretch.
Or maybe you slept through the part where conservatives turned S1138 around from a sure thing to ‘on life support’, by calling and writing by the tens or hundreds of thousands, maybe more. There are more than enough voters enraged by the pubbies’ stupidity to swing at least 6 seats in 2008. That’s huge.
As I understand it, there are people who make a living (and likely a good one) providing forged documents.
At least 33% are illegal aliens in prisons. I don't think business made them do it. We don't even know what percent are on some form of welfare and we do know that the healthcare system is overburdened.
I think that there would be a different story if government paid benefits were cut.
Okay, let’s reform welfare and healthcare. That would cut the volume down to manageable number of illegal immigrants.
Good luck with that
When I am caught speeding, I pay a fine. That’s not amnesty.
But after I pay the fine, the police don’t tell me I’m free to speed as much as I want now — if I am caught again, I pay another fine.
But the illegals, after they pay their “fine”, get to STAY, doing their illegal activity. THAT is amnesty. They get to keep breaking the law, only for them it’s not breaking it any more.
Note that the person who sneaks into the country December 31, 2006 pays a fine and can stay. The person who sneaks in January 1, 2006 gets deported. So the first person is treated differently, the law still says you have to come in legally, but the 1st person gets amnesty.
Imagine a sold-out rock concert, people scalping tickets for thousands of dollars. When the doors open, some people without tickets sneak in. Now there are people stuck outside with tickets who don’t have seats. What do we do?
Of course, we throw out those who snuck in. But this bill says if they just pay the “scalper’s price”, they can stay in the seats. Those stuck outside are out of luck, maybe they get a refund of their purchase price.
If you want a fence, why go to the gov’t? Why not find private citizens who will buy the land and pay a private company to build a fence?”
Again, why not slam a hefty tax on the money illegals send home. This money more than likely was earned “off the books”
They came here illegally, let them pay for the wall. Send Messico or any other country the bill for incarceration of THEIR citizens who are now residing in our prisons (60,000+ a year annually for each one.
I agree to an extent but if you are mom/pop buisness fined 140,000 for 2 illegals pedro and juan with passible english skills and what appears to proper ID , what the hell are you suppose to do?
I agree to an extent but if you are mom/pop buisness fined 140,000 for 2 illegals pedro and juan with passible english skills and what appears to proper ID , what the hell are you suppose to do?
I agree to an extent but if you are mom/pop buisness fined 140,000 for 2 illegals pedro and juan with passible english skills and what appears to proper ID , what the hell are you suppose to do?
I feel sorry for Tony in so many ways.
So, 1,000 was all those agents were allowed to round up? They can't exceed their bag limit on illegals?
All the illegals didn't come in one day and they can't all be deported in one day.
But enforcement of existing laws and a "comprehensive" plan to deny them jobs and security in the US will do for a start.
Once this travesty of an amnesty is signed, there won't be any need for illegals to do anything but sit in the US as the stroke of the pen makes them "legal."
If anyone had their property taxes forgiven by the stroke of a pen and the city they lived in said for them to become citizens of the city they had to pay a fine and return to their original place of residence and apply for citizenship and then pay their back property taxes, how many would be inclined to do it?
And how many would just sit tight and say, "Are you nuts? Why bother with all that and have to pay fines and taxes when I get everything I want anyway?"
And if it will take 12 million agents to round them up, how many agents will it take, and how long will it take, to see that they are complying with the other provisions if they want to bother with becoming a citizen?
Thanks.
I think, however that he WILL apply for the visa for the benefits, but probably not for citizenship at the cost.
So what we have then, is a permanent worker underclass. A bunch of people who choose a path that prevents them from voting, followed by cries of “injustice” later on when they can’t vote.
They don’t pay any fine if they don’t apply for permanent legal residency. If they just keep their “probationary” legal residency they pay nothing.
Just curious about the logistics. I got my SS card at 16, when I wanted an after-school job. I understand now they're issued to babies. Who's going to handle updated pictures? How often?
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