Posted on 06/12/2007 3:22:43 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
Tony Snow is about to appear live on FOX & Friends on FOX News. The subject is Bush's push for immigration "reform".
Here’s what we do know. It took a thousand agents to round up 1,000 illegal aliens. So by your argument, to take care of the issue right now, we need 12 million agents.
It’s fair to ask the cost. It’s reasonable to come up with alternatives.
As I said earlier on this thread, an alternative approach is to complete the reforms left undone by the 1996 Welfare Reform act and as you also said, if we cut off the benefits, the problem will become lesser.
Yep just like the old 1986 bill.
Status quo continues...all difficult political issues are now -
Don't ask, don't tell.
BUMP
Wow, that’s a lot for you to write in one comment.
I disagree with everything you said. I don’t think that anyone has the ability to take the moral high ground and successfully demand that it’s your way or the highway, I don’t think that we disagree because you or I are ignorant.
We have different assumptions and I wouldn’t call you ignorant because you disagreed with me.
“But I think it was partly brought on by those very conservatives who were unwilling to discuss it a year ago, when Bush first floated an immigration plan. The matter has got to be dealt with but politicians are unwilling to touch it because they know it’s a live wire, so Bush should at least have gotten points for having the courage to bring it up.”
Conservatives unwilling to discuss a year ago? A year ago the Senate debated and passed an immigration bill so I know not of which you speak. The bill was stopped by republicans in the House. It came very close to passage. Furthermore, even if conservatives were not willing to discuss a year ago, that is no reason to craft a very bad bill that would work to the detriment of Americans. I do not follow your logic at all, friend.
As to the immigration issue needing to be fixed: a good start would be enforcing current laws. If that were done, much of the problem would fix itself.
I am sick to death of this reasoning.
I don’t accept your assumptions. I don’t believe that you will find more illegal aliens and reduce the problem by offering draconian solutions.
I think the ID question is crucial to dealing with this. However, one of the things that everybody keeps overlooking is that, with all the ID in the world at the Federal level, if the STATES and MUNICIPALITIES prevent the enforcement of Federal law by preventing ID checking, etc., the Federal policies will not work. You are aware, I assume, that there are many cities that prohibit their police forces, healthcare workers and schools from either asking for real ID or checking it, and from reporting immigration violators when they are found?
Theoretically, illegal immigrants are already supposed to be excluded from receiving certain benefits (such as Federally funded welfare programs). But the states and cities that handle the distribution of these funds prevent this law from taking effect by simply refusing to check the status of applicants for benefits.
The Dem governments at those levels do this to build a pool of illegal voters, and preventing the enforcement of ID laws also enables them to get these people into the voting booths.
So I think that it would be more accurate to say that unless the state and local government carry out their responsibilities, the Federal laws will remain unenforceable and this situation will continue.
Huh? Are you agreeing with me?
Did you bump your head before you wrote that? First of all there is no "it" because there is no wall. Would one be 100% effective? No, but it will slow down and funnel illegals into areas that can more easily be policed.
Second, walls don't fail, enforcement does. Do you think the fence alone around the White House keeps the riff raff out? No, but the secret service along with the fence does. Unmanned drones, border agents, infrared cameras and monitors combined with a wall all would cut down illegal border crossings to a trickle that is manageable.
Asking employers to enforce federal law is worthless unless you have a barrier to cut down on the amount of possible illegal employee applications.
Thank you, livius. Well said!
That wasn’t your post with your name on it? You didn’t do a very good job of pointing that out.
And you probably shouldn’t post someone else’s entire works into comments, with OR without their name on the bottom. I see now that you had the link, but no real indication that you were copying from the link.
If you like the blog post, you should start a thread and put it in the post, that way the excerpt software can kick in if necessary. Otherwise you are just taking other people’s work without asking, and without very many people seeing it.
Can you elaborate? Kidding. :)
Seriously, being told I’m behaving badly for expecting my tax dollars to be spent wisely and responsibly is a bitter pill to swallow. Secure borders are a higher priority to me than AIDS in Africa. AIDS isn’t that hard not to get.
That pill’s *almost* as hard to swallow as the line of BS that Mr. Snow just fed us about the feds really, REALLY meaning they’ll enforce the laws this time!
If they’d been doing their job the past six years I might nibble at the line. However, President Bush (and previous administrations, yes) has willfully and deliberately let it come to this so I’m not biting.
Yep, I’m as hard-headed as President Bush.
These are excellent questions. So how do you incorporate them into viable legislation?
How much do you figure a good border fence might cost?
Because you think that I am free to think as you tell me.
That is a gamble, as I pointed out in that post. You can gamble that R’s will be in a better position and I would like to see that to be true.
The risk is, what if it doesn’t happen or worse, what if the opposite does?
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