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To: saveliberty
will say that there’s a point to be made that by dumping on businesses, the illegals get away with it. Meaning that it’s not the businesses who made the illegals come here. It’s wrong to hire illegal aliens, but some businesses have their hands tied by state laws in what they are allowed to ask and California specifies how many taxpayer name and ID changes an employee gets to get away with.

You're simply wrong on every point here. Making employers legally responsible when they break the law is NOT dumping on employers. Employers ARE driving illegal immigration...if there weren't an abundance of jobs available by employers willing to ignore and break our laws the largest incentive illegals have for crossing our border would be gone.

No business in America has their hands tied by the state when it comes to hiring illegals. Every employee hired since 1986 has to fill out an I-9 form to prove eligibility to work in the US. Every employee has to file either a W4 or other tax paperwork with the IRS and SS Administration and all of these forms or forms that support them require a valid SS number. If an employee files a false or stolen SS number the employer is promptly notified. Withing days. At that point the employer KNOWS that the employee is not legally eligible to work in the US and the employee should be fired...if he's not the employer is liable for some very serious fines and penalties. Most of which are never levied because we're not enforcing the laws already on the books.

153 posted on 06/12/2007 5:33:09 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: pgkdan
You're simply wrong on every point here. Making employers legally responsible when they break the law is NOT dumping on employers. Employers ARE driving illegal immigration...if there weren't an abundance of jobs available by employers willing to ignore and break our laws the largest incentive illegals have for crossing our border would be gone.

At least 33% are illegal aliens in prisons. I don't think business made them do it. We don't even know what percent are on some form of welfare and we do know that the healthcare system is overburdened.

I think that there would be a different story if government paid benefits were cut.

168 posted on 06/12/2007 5:43:20 AM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: pgkdan

You are mostly correct. When a social security number comes back as a no match the employer has to notify the employee and tell them to go to the social security office to get the matter straighten out. The letter the employer receives specifically states that NO adverse actions may be taken against the employee. It is up to the employee and social security to straighten out the matter. Then he is to report back to the employer if the number was entered wrong....etc.

Basically the employer is just trying to protect himself from the fraudulent employee and the government, but can not decide who is telling the truth. The government is truly dubious in this as they could investigate this person immediately as they know where they work and live at this point. They are the ones responsible not the employer who many times are just trying to obey the law.


462 posted on 06/12/2007 2:52:50 PM PDT by DesertCosmos
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To: pgkdan

Then you should have loved this bill

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/b4e422a6-fc2a-4cf3-a949-5f15adb5ec4e

Read to his analysis of Title III


471 posted on 06/12/2007 4:09:37 PM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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