Posted on 06/12/2007 11:18:58 AM PDT by dangus
I agree with you about John Warner. However, I would hesitate to say there is “no risk” of the GOP losing his seat when he retires. As things stand now, I would have to say that Mark Warner has the best shot of winning it and the talk is that the GOP would nominate Tom Davis who is almost as big a RINO as Warner.
Surrender? Hardly. I just recognize the fact that your brand of “conservatism” has nothing to do with a political movement or the political reality (not to mention the history of this country and Western civilization, in general)of the United States, and that you wear “conservatism” as a tribal badge, like a Blood or a Cripp wears a specifically-colored bandanna, if I had to bet on it.
If the last decade has shown us anything, it is that “Conservatism”, as a political movement of true, classical liberalism (ala Ronald Reagan), is dead. There are no more conservatives, only a small rear-guard of zealous hangers-on, who think they are carrying on the fight for our rights and civilization, bouyed by their religious fanaticism and misunderstanding of their own history. It lost it’s way when it began to forget that it was rooted in Classical Liberalism, when it bought the left’s attempt to redfine “liberalism” and finally, when the religious bigots in this country managed to buy their way into the halls of power.
As for who comes from what Red or Blue state, who cares? If the people of those states like the job that Graham and Hagel and the rest do, they will continue to vote for them.
Your calling them names doesn’t change that fact. That’s how REPUBLICS work, after all.
Tom Davis is a big piece of crap.
No Specter?
Sadly there wasn’t a ONE opponent for Richard Lugar in 06 (republican or democrat+ the indepedent/libertarian was a former democrat who didn’t sound libertarian, he sounded SOCIALIST! Still he garnered 24%).
And Spectre could kick the bucket anytime. But a rat would likely end up in the seat.
Stupid Northern VA (and RINO Repubicans): Too bad Virgil Goode is so old, he’d make a fine Senator!!
Let’s distinguish between the good RINOs and the bad ones.
Collins and Snowe have always been party loyalists, who vote with the party when their vote is absolutely needed. There’s no way they could be replaced by conservatives in Maine.
Lincoln Chaffee also came from a liberal state, but he was not a party loyalist. He defied the leadership and sank several important bills by one vote. We are better off without him, and his ideological soulmate, Jim Jeffords.
As for the others you name, that’s a matter that must be decided state by state. I would have thought that you could elect a conservative in Virginia, for instance, but the state seems to be going more liberal with each election.
Chuck Hagel and Lindsay Graham? Yes, I would agree that they have crossed the line and must go. I don’t know enough about their constituents to say if they should be replaced by good RINOs instead of disloyal ones, but they have proved themselves to be treacherous in the clinch, and that’s not the way even a good RINO behaves.
IMO, Graham and McCain qualify for idiot status. Time to clean out the Senate and start over. I just left a message at the RNC in DC that they should start whispering in these schmuck’s ears to start looking for their private sector jobs because they’re gone.
I agree. Unfortunately, the RINOs in Northern Virginia want a voice in the party, even though they are the first to vote for a ‘Rat like Mark Warner when they get a chance.
The best replacements for John Warner would be Randy Forbes, Eric Cantor or Jo Ann Davis. They are all solid conservatives and have a history of not backing down to the RINOs.
See what I said in #30. Forbes, Cantor or Jo Ann Davis are the way to go, they are conservative and young enough to serve a few terms.
There are other voters besides Democrats. Right now, the split in the national electorate is approximately 1/3 Dems, 1/3 'Pubbies, and 1/3 Independents.
And quite a few of those Independents are conservatives. I know, because I are one.
Everything that does end up happening in the future will also depend upon if “Shamnesty” legislation is successfully killed forever as well as if the creation of the very socialistic North American Union is also killed forever. If these two “very bad things” do eventually become U.S. law, then the Republican Party, conservatism, and the existence of a decent U.S. as a country will all eventually disappear probably forever! If conservatives truly end up prevailing over all of these bad things, then they can successfully target both Democrats at every political level and “RINO” Republicans at every political level for both the short-term and for the long-term all over the U.S.!
I finally woke up last time around and voted for the Libertarian.
If so, the Republicans will lose Warner’s seat. The only thing we can do is weigh in heavily in the primaries.
AMEN to Randy Forbes!!
I thought he was a Cuban.
Go back to sleep.
The “power base” of the Virginia GOP is clearly Virginia Beach/Chesepeake and Henrico County with the edge probably going to VB/Chesapeake. From everything I’ve seen Forbes has a lot of allies within the higher ranks of the party.
I’d agree with those who think the seat might well go to Mark Warner, who remains extremely popular for whatever reason, if John Warner is defeated in the primaries. I can’t imagine Virginians electing Jim Gilmore to the Senate. The man has some good conservative credentials but he was basically a one-trick pony. “No car tax” won’t get him elected again.
Maybe Kilgore could win, but he’s have to run a heck of a lot better campaign than he did for governor. Other conservatives mentioned in one post are barely known in the state.
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