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Communism destroyed millions of lives, but its critics are now branded "neocons".
New Statesman ^ | 07 June 2007 | Robert Service

Posted on 06/12/2007 11:33:36 AM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 06/12/2007 11:33:38 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
No government in Africa or the Americas subscribes to it except the Castro regime in Cuba.

Venezuela, anyone?

And the USA, if a DemocRAT is elected POTUS next year.

2 posted on 06/12/2007 11:37:56 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: neverdem
Sounds alot like what is happening in Venezuela and Zimbabwe today...
3 posted on 06/12/2007 11:45:02 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: neverdem

What is a “neocon” anyway?

Depending on the agenda it’s either:

-a conservative jew
-a conspirative jew
-a jew (conservative or liberal) supporting wars
-a jew
-a former leftist (pro-FDR/JFK) turned rightwing
-9/11 Republicans
-anyone supporting the War on Terror
-anyone who voted Bush
-anyone supporting Israel (esp. Evangelical Christians)
-anyone supporting American interventions

(I personally do describe my foreign policy view as neoconservative, defined as supporting preemptive wars (if necsessairy unilateral wars) against threats and potential threats, especially those emerging in the Islamic world.)


4 posted on 06/12/2007 11:46:58 AM PDT by SolidWood (3,184 terrorists killed since January 2007)
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To: neverdem

btt


5 posted on 06/12/2007 11:54:16 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: neverdem

This love affair with communism persists to this day among many of the so-called “enlightened.” In one of my university classes last year, a fellow mature student expressed admiration for communism and declared it was better than our capitalist society. I then asked her what exactly was it about communism that was so attractive to her? Was it the 110 million dead? The gulags? The tortures and arbitrary arrests by the secret police? The food lines? Or was it the silencing of dissent, seizure of private property, or restriction on travel?

Naturally she didn’t have a good answer and I made an enemy for the rest of the course.

Some people just hate our society so much they want to destroy it and replace it with a so-called utopian system. Naturally, they expect to be placed in power in these new governments and will have absolute power over the masses.

After all, that’s what it really comes down to - they want to have power over others where their every whim is satisfied and their word is law. Since they cannot get this god-like power in our democratic system, they want to overthrow it and replace it with communism or another totalitarian regime.


6 posted on 06/12/2007 11:56:54 AM PDT by Edward Watson (A liberal with a knife will always lose to a conservative with a gun)
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To: neverdem

“Neocon” means pro-israel conservatives. It’s as simple as that.


7 posted on 06/12/2007 11:57:02 AM PDT by pissant
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To: SolidWood
I guess "neocon" is just a replacement for "McCarthyite" -- just another example of the Communist tactic of demonizing their ideological opponents when they can't win arguments on merits and facts.

God, how I despise the left. Today's DemocRAT Party is no longer wearing the sheep's clothing of "liberalism" -- they are out-and-out Stalinists. Look for a President Hildabeast to begin her reign by re-imposing the "Fairness Doctrine", and consolidate it by outlawing political opposition, "temporarily" suspending the Bill of Rights, declaring herself President for Life, opening the camps, and rolling the freight cars.

8 posted on 06/12/2007 11:59:23 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: 2banana
Sounds alot like what is happening in Venezuela and Zimbabwe today...

It is, they just don't use the name, probably because it's so discredited among everyone but moonbat leftist "intellectuals."

Chavez claims he's "Bolivarian," as if the great liberator would have ever considered trading one master, Spain, for a thug like Chavez.

9 posted on 06/12/2007 12:05:19 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Edward Watson

I think it is much more simple than all of that: naievete.


10 posted on 06/12/2007 12:07:44 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: bassmaner

Well I am a neoconservative. I wear the badge proudly.


11 posted on 06/12/2007 12:08:19 PM PDT by Shaun_MD ("You can't trust Freedom when it's not in your hands" - Guns & Roses)
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To: Shaun_MD

Depending on the usage, so am I. (I have a sneer, surprisingly seldom used anymore, for any self-proclaimed Marxists: ‘I was a Marxist when I was 13, I outgrew it along with acne.’)

The broad usage of neoconservative as ex-leftist conservative fits a lot of us on the right in my generation.

On the other hand, the most notable neoconservatives, while now very much men of the right, still have a whistful sympathy for the project of the left, which I don’t really share. For that reason, I liked to joke in the mid-80’s that I was the last person to join the Old Right.


12 posted on 06/12/2007 12:16:00 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: neverdem
The early socialists imagined the perfect society could be established that would be so attractive that capitalism would collapse of its own accord. The opposite in fact happened. Socialist societies have had a uniform record of immiseration. And those that still remain formally socialist, like China and Vietnam have abandoned the Marxist Leninist precepts and have surged ahead in their standard of living and having a measure of greater personal freedom. The only people still enamored of it are Western intellectuals who have clung to it long after the rest of the planet discarded it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 06/12/2007 12:16:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Just look at Albania, which was the last Stalinist state, and the reception they gave President Bush over the weekend.


14 posted on 06/12/2007 12:18:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: SolidWood
"a former leftist (pro-FDR/JFK) turned rightwing"

That would describe the families of many who call themselves "paleo-conservatives."


15 posted on 06/12/2007 12:19:47 PM PDT by familyop
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To: bassmaner

They’re attempting to turn “neocon” or neoconservative into an insult the same way we did to “liberal”, notice how no serious candidate running for president will identify themselves as liberal when they clearly are. They’re trying to make “neocon” one of those words that sound bad to people before they research what it really means, just a modern non isolationist conservative.


16 posted on 06/12/2007 12:25:36 PM PDT by Nomad577
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To: neverdem

I’d a heck of a lot rather be a Neocon than a Neocom.....


17 posted on 06/12/2007 12:32:33 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out of Qurans)
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To: bassmaner
Look for a President Hildabeast to begin her reign by re-imposing the "Fairness Doctrine", and consolidate it by outlawing political opposition, "temporarily" suspending the Bill of Rights, declaring herself President for Life, opening the camps, and rolling the freight cars.

Well, look at the upside. Should she follow that course, a lot of us here will be spared the indignity of cancer wards and heart attacks.

18 posted on 06/12/2007 12:35:22 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: HardStarboard

Neocom. That’s the fitting name for the Democrat party today. No more Conservative vs. Liberal. From now on it’s Neocon vc. Neocom... LOL.


19 posted on 06/12/2007 12:41:12 PM PDT by SolidWood (3,184 terrorists killed since January 2007)
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To: Edward Watson

The infamous Jonestown remains the perfect microcosm of all utopian socialist states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

See my tagline.


20 posted on 06/12/2007 12:43:31 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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