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Was Romney's Pro-Life Conversion a Myth?
ABC News ^ | June 14, 2007 | Rick Klein and Jake Tapper

Posted on 06/14/2007 9:10:31 PM PDT by asparagus

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To: EternalVigilance

Thanks for killing so many HTML trees. The topic is about Mitt Romney’s pro-life conversion. Let’s stay on topic.


41 posted on 06/14/2007 10:20:10 PM PDT by asparagus
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To: JohnnyZ

JohnnyZ,

How many judges did Mitt appoint to the Massachussetts Supreme Court?

Answer is none.

How many to the district level?

Two, both staunch conservatives.

How many to traffic, court, city level, juvenille?

23. Most of the Democrats were appointed there, but they would have zero affect on state law or social policy. Plus, the nomination process went through the Governor’s council full of Dems.

Your attack is made up of whole cloth of air!


42 posted on 06/14/2007 10:20:26 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Not worried at all. I’m saying that Thompson isn’t all that his supporters are imagining him to be . He is the beltway’s next choice after McPain’s self inflicted implosion. The Establishment will move over to Thompson after McPain fades .

Rudy and Romney are truly outside of the beltway , like them or not . Right now we are seeing what happens when the beltway wants something ...immigration . Thompson is better than McPain , but he is still beltway like it or not .


43 posted on 06/14/2007 10:21:34 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (No bill is better than a bill legalizing 12 to 20 million new Dims ......)
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To: JohnnyZ

Beth Meyers supports Mitt’s account. The Researcher only disputes the word ‘Killing embryos’. The Research says he said ‘Destroy embryos’.

Thanks for another misleading attack.


44 posted on 06/14/2007 10:23:44 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: asparagus
Thanks for killing so many HTML trees. The topic is about Mitt Romney’s pro-life conversion. Let’s stay on topic.

That was dispensed with long ago. His "conversion" was utterly contrived. You have to be completely naive or lying to say otherwise.

Let me ask you a question I've asked a number of times to Romney supporters, one that they have not once answered:

Don't you think a candidate's current rhetoric should bear at least some passing resemblence to their actual record?

45 posted on 06/14/2007 10:26:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("You will have your bipartisanship." - Fred Thompson, May 4, 2007)
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To: EternalVigilance

There is some nice gems in your material which undercut your thrust of your deception. Here it says Mitt opposes Gay Marriage. Personally, I too could live with Civil unions, if it stopped Gay Marriage.

“Eric Fehrnstrom, a Romney campaign spokesman, said Romney opposes gay marriage but also opposes the amendment, since he sees no reason to change the current laws, which allow for domestic-partner benefits to public employees.… ‘Mitt did not know they signed it, and Mitt does not support it,’ he said. ‘As far as Mitt is concerned, it goes farther than current law, and therefore it’s unnecessary.’ “


46 posted on 06/14/2007 10:27:08 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: Neu Pragmatist

None of us are under the illusions that Fred is a candidate for Sainthood. But we certainly know which candidate can claim a legitimate Conservative and reformist record and which cannot.

Rudy and Precious may be “outside the beltway”, but their positions are far closer to the Establishment’s than Fred’s are (assuming you can ascertain where Precious stands on any particular day of the week — at least Rudy isn’t so politically schizophrenic, he’s just simply wrong).


47 posted on 06/14/2007 10:28:14 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: JohnnyZ
Especially considering the fact that the Harvard researcher says that Mitt's description of their meeting is partly fabricated, can it be any clearer that the whole so-called epiphany on Mitt's part was just something he made up after the fact to explain why he switched positions to run for president?

Harvard researchers can't be trusted. They use the scientific method, which flip-floppery. They support one position, then change their position based on "evidence".

48 posted on 06/14/2007 10:29:02 PM PDT by asparagus
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To: nowandlater
"“Eric Fehrnstrom, a Romney campaign spokesman, said Romney opposes gay marriage but also opposes the amendment"

Son, you're shooting your own candidate in the foot something fierce.

49 posted on 06/14/2007 10:29:53 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: nowandlater

The Romney administration told the justices of the peace that if they refused to perform gay marriages, they would be fired, even though there was no law or constitutional provision on the books that allowed him to do so. To this day, no such law or provision exists.

This fact outweighs all of Mitt’s lying and spin like an M-1 tank outweighs a feather.


50 posted on 06/14/2007 10:30:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("You will have your bipartisanship." - Fred Thompson, May 4, 2007)
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Fred's nickname was the "Tennessee Stud." He had quite a skirt-chasing reputation in Washington social circles. The reputation carried all the way through most of his Senate terms.

I'm tired of the hypocrisy among FRedhead social conservatives who attack Romney for his abortion stances. He has a big family, and one superbly well-maintained marriage. If you include Gingrich among the top five most visible Republican candidates, the remaining four have 10 marriages among them. The Democrats? As anathema as their are agenda is, they have zero divorces.

FRedhead social conservatives should be ashamed. But they're not. They're attacking Mitt Romney, the only Republican candidate among the top five whose personal life truly is a model of social conservatism and moral rectitude.

51 posted on 06/14/2007 10:31:39 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: fieldmarshaldj; TAdams8591; nowandlater

CFR , you support that ? There is only one candidate that supports repeal of CFR .......it’s not Thompson


52 posted on 06/14/2007 10:33:53 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (No bill is better than a bill legalizing 12 to 20 million new Dims ......)
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To: JCEccles
Yeah, that little matter of Mitt supporting the murder of 40 million unborn children through his entire adult life and then lying about some supposed "conversion" in order to further his personal political ambition, not a big deal at all.

Disgusting.

53 posted on 06/14/2007 10:34:50 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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To: EternalVigilance

The interpretation of the Justices was that additional law spelling it out constituted discrimination. Basically, they said that the intent of John Adams was that same sex couples were constitutionally allowed to marry. According to the Justices, the legislature could create a law on the matter, but it, according the Justices was inconsequental. The right to marry had to be granted on a certain date. Mitt fought that ruling until that date occurred. And he fought that action until the last day of his Governorship.

Mitt took an oath to honor the constitution. When the Supremes invoked their ruling as a core concept with the Mass. constitution, Mitt could not go contrary to that.


54 posted on 06/14/2007 10:37:12 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: SmoothTalker
Yes, for four years Mitt stated publicly he was pro-choice, in 1992 and for three of the four years he was governor. At any point throughout that time, becoming pro-life would have elicited the same comments from his detractors, that he changed to run for president. I simply don't know and am not close enough to Governor Romney to make that determination. He will however, govern as a pro-lifer. He could not go back to his pro-choice views and remain an effective leader. He's not a stupid man, he knows it. He has been courting the votes of conservative pro-lifers, some of whom are on the his campaign staff. They and we will have a voice in his administration.

Furthermore, when counseling women from his church, he counseled them against abortion even on one occasion when the health of the mother was at risk.

He had five children and his children's children now nmber ten. He successfully passed along his belief in children to his children. I know many large families and NOT one is pro-choice.

I would much prefer that Mitt had been publicly pro-life all along. I am uncomfortable with some of the pro-choice statements he made while campaigning and as governor. However, when examining his record in Mass, he made the abortion laws less liberal as he did with a number of the Liberal laws in Mass regarding other issues. Not bad for a man who was working with a legislature that is 15% Republican, in a state whose voters are 30% Republican. With more normal and favorable proportions in the House and Senate in DC, he will fare far better. And unlike Thompson, he is not a Washington insider and has no ties to Hollywood.

55 posted on 06/14/2007 10:38:13 PM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guilaini is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: JohnnyZ

Yes, how can Reagan live with himself?

How can Lincoln live with himself supporting slavery even after he was elected?

Those men are disgusting.


56 posted on 06/14/2007 10:38:43 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: nowandlater

/sarcasm off


57 posted on 06/14/2007 10:38:55 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: Neu Pragmatist

It’s my understanding, Thompson is a member of the council on Foreign Relations (CFR).


58 posted on 06/14/2007 10:39:43 PM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guilaini is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: JCEccles

Oh, the humanity ! A single man dating ! Stop the presses ! Stop the presses !

I don’t give a damn about how allegedly wonderful the Romney marriage is, because it doesn’t change the fact that he is a liar, a hypocrite, and has flip-flopped to suit the occasion on social issues. Fred never flip-flopped or wavered on thos issues while in public office, and that IS the point. You get me, boy ? Or do you need me to draw you a diagram ?


59 posted on 06/14/2007 10:39:56 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Neu Pragmatist

Thompson already acknowledged it hasn’t worked. I didn’t agree with the final bill, but I at least knew what the intent was. BTW, what does CFR have to do with Romney’s flip-flopping on abortion ?


60 posted on 06/14/2007 10:41:49 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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