Russia To Grant Independence to California (KosovO comparison)

byzantinesacredart. ^ | June 14, 2007 | Svetlana

[Andy from Beaverton]

California Will Be Independent Too

The Conquest of Aztlan map, click to view large.

Russia To Grant Independence to California

According to some sources, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, during a Wednesday press conference in Sweden, threatened the breakup of the United States by stating that an American unilateral recognition of Kosovo as an independent state could prompt Russia to do the same for California “should they request it.”

Sorcha Faal claims Foreign Minister Lavrov’s “stunning comments were said to be in response to President Bush’s declaration on Kosovo, and as we can read as reported by Pakistan’s Daily Times News Service in their article titled ‘US ready for showdown with Russia on Kosovo independence’.”

Foreign Minister Lavrov’s equating of the United States State of California with Kosovo does appear to be apt, as like the breakaway Serbia Province being controlled by Muslim Gangs, California is, likewise, controlled by Mexican Gangs, with the California Department of Justice stating that the number of these gang members in California are estimated at a staggering 300,000 [2004].

To the dangers of the Muslim Gangs who have taken control of Kosovo under the protection of NATO, and known as the ‘Islamic Mafia’, we can read:

“FBI has recently announced that ethnic Albanian gangs, including immigrants from Kosovo, are replacing the Italian La Cosa Nostra mafia as the leading organized crime outfit in the US.

According to a CNN report the FBI ‘Officials said ethnic Albanians from Kosovo, Macedonia and Montenegro’ make up the emerging American criminal cartel and ‘represent a major challenge to federal agents because of their propensity for violence and brutality.’ This statement comes several months after Amnesty International declared NATO-administered Kosovo province a hotbed of organized crime activity.”

“Mexifornia: A State of Becoming,” by Victor Davis Hanson. Available at Amazon.com.

It is, also, most curious that President Bush was received by the Albanian criminal Nation with ‘wild’ enthusiasm and cheering crowds, who, according to some news report, stole his watch while he was shaking hands with them.

To the greater danger, however, facing the United States is the growing independence movement in California being led by the Nation of Aztlán, and which is described as:

“The Nation of Aztlán is a Latino patriot and independence organization headquartered in Whittier, California, United States. Its platform states that United States must return the land that was stolen from Mexico during the Mexican-American War and which it calls ‘Aztlan territory’ in order to form an independent nation.”

Russian Military Analysts, in their reports, state that California does indeed contain those elements needed for an independence movement, which include: 1.) A large armed militia (gangs) separate from and in conflict with US government control. 2.) A growing illegal migrant base willing to displace the local population. 3.) A foreign state on their border sympathetic to their cause, in this case Mexico.

To what the American people in California could expect, should Russia recognize them as an independent Aztlan Nation, we cannot see it being any less traumatic to them than that faced by the Serbian peoples in Kosovo, and as we can read:

“Serb leaders in the breakaway Kosovo province Thursday accused four European countries and the United States of assisting ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo by handing them immigrant visas. Marko Jaksic, president of the Alliance of Serb Municipalities in Kosovo, said the US, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland were among the countries which helped Kosovo minority Serbs to emigrate, paving the way for Kosovo independence, demanded by majority ethnic Albanians.

‘What is happening now is just a perfidious continuation of ethnic cleansing,’ Jaksic said. Referring to the fact that over 200,000 Serbs have fled Kosovo since it was put under United Nations control in 1999, he said the international community would do better to rebuild their destroyed homes and facilitate their return, if it really wanted to live up to its declared goal of a multi-ethnic Kosovo.”

Impossible? That’s exactly what we said for Kosovo province not so long ago. So, say hello to the Aztlan entering the UN as a nation with the right to self-determination and a new member-state within the internationally recognized borders of California.

[Travis McGee]

[EagleUSA]

I am surprised that the old elite KGB guard of the Rodina, Putin, et al, have not adopted San Francisco as a sister city to Moscow....

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Great! I’ve been saying California should be independent for years, too!

Please take Vermont with you when you leave.

[KarlInOhio]

Allowing Vermont to leave is completely unacceptable ... unless they take Massachusetts with them.

[quadrant]

How remarkable. Latinos, not all but far too many, immigrate (either legally or illegally) to a country where they do not speak the language, where the culture is all but antithetical to theirs, and they demand not to fit in, to become part of that country but to have the country for themselves.
How ironic - by immigrating they confess their society is failing, that it cannot provide what they want or need. They go to a country where they believe they can meet their needs and demand to take over that country.

[Dr. Frank fan]

This would almost be a clever satirical comeback, except for one key factor which breaks the analogy:

California is a part of the United States. Kosovo is NOT a part of Russia.

So why does Russia care in the first place? Let alone, why do they speak of Kosovo as if Kosovo : Russia :: California : United States?

[Jack Black]

Exactly. Lots of Slavic, Baltic and European nations are tired of Russian meddling in their affairs. Russia is still a rouge nation, look at the shameful hacking of Estonia in revenge for Estonia moving a statue of a Communist soldier from their central square.

[JamesP81]

This might be of interest to you.

I think the Russian analogy isn't a good one. That said, I also think we are foolish for supporting Kosovo. Amazingly, the Russians are right on this one, which just once again proves the old adage that even a stopped clock tells the correct time twice a day.

[Andy from Beaverton]

So why does Russia care in the first place?

You should care too! They are a dozen minorities within Russia that would like independence. What's next? A division of Macedonia for Islamist? How about Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia and Spain - states that all have minorities that might one day demand independence, or are already doing so (Basques in Spain, for example). Bosnia has a huge minority of Serbs in the Eastern part of the country. Will the UN support their independence or reunification with Serbia? This action of independence will be a very bloody act in the future.

[thecabal]

Point well made, but any article from “Sorcha Faal” is pretty much guaranteed to be complete BS.

[Dr. Frank fan]

You should care too! They are a dozen minorities within Russia that would like independence.

What's that got to do with Kosovo? Kosovo is not a part of Russia.

What's next? A division of Macedonia for Islamist? How about Greece, Cyprus, [...] This action of independence will be a very bloody act in the future.

None of this has any bearing on the point I was making, which is that Russia is wrong in speaking about Kosovo in such a proprietary way. Russia still seems to believe she owns all of Central Europe. Is "independence will be bloody" a prediction, or a threat? There is something almost humorously clueless about Russia saying "you support independence for Kosovo? that's like if we were to support independence for California". No! It's not! In saying this Russia is implicitly claiming Kosovo as her own, which raises doubts as to what the real cause of any future "bloodiness" might be. Maybe I even agree with you that it's bad/wrong for the U.S. to support an independent Kosovo, but it's certainly no better - and just as potentially "bloody" - for Russia to arrogantly claim Kosovo as part of her empire.

[LantzALot]

Not long ago, we had the thread:

No bodies found at suspected mass grave near Kosovo, judge says -- to which was:

Posted by LantzALot to kronos77 On News/Activism 06/09/2007

Interesting. What I'm calling "interesting" is that on the same page as this article is a link to an NCTimes editorial championing passage of the immigration (in FRspeak, "amnesty") bill. ...

Normally, I'm uncomfortable when I see FReepers bring the amnesty question into threads introduced to discuss another topic, but I can't help but draw a parallel here.

Kosovo was invaded (not militarily, but by illegal immigration) by "ethnic Albanians." These ethnic Albanians adopted the typical Baltic Muslims-slaughter-Christians tactic to appropriate territory. When the native Serbs adopted the typical Baltic Christians-slaughter-Muslims tactic, then we (i.e., Bill Clinton, wearing a NATO mask) jumped into the fray on the side of the invaders.

Here, the invaders (non-military, to be sure) are ethnic proponents of this concept they call Aztlan, adopting the typical American approach of using rule-of-law to appropriate their "rights." The natives want to adopt the typical American rule-of-law approach, enforcement.

Of course, it isn't likely to draw a NATO-type military intervention, but ...

Looks like someone in Russia has made the same observation.

[El Gato]

Those areas on that map with the darkest red are areas where the Mexicans were inhabiting before they became part of the United States. The situations were different, there were never all that many folks living in all but far southern California, essentially the San Diego area, but Tejanos have been the majority in much of South Texas for most or all of the time since incorporation. The same is true of parts of New Mexico. Those native Latinos have no particular love for “Those D@** Mexicans”, to quote a Tejana friend.

[Andy from Beaverton]

Just because it’s Russia saying this, some people automatically think it’s wrong.

[El Gato]

“The Nation of Aztlán is a Latino patriot and independence organization headquartered in Whittier, California, United States. Its platform states that United States must return the land that was stolen from Mexico during the Mexican-American War and which it calls ‘Aztlan territory’ in order to form an independent nation.”

Then their map is incorrect. About 1/3 to 1/2 of the territory shown was not part of Mexico at the onset of the Mexican American War. It was called Texas, and had been part of the independent Republic of Texas for nearly a decade before being admitted to the US. Even by Mexican claims a good chunk of "Aztlan" was not Mexican at that time.

While we *could* have "stolen" the rest of territory as part of the Mexican American War, we didn't, we bought it from that SOB Santa Ana, the then head of the Mexican Government. (BTW, the Mexicans agree he was an SOB, if for different reasons)

[quadrant]

Mexico did not exist until 1825 or so. Before that the area was controlled by Spain. Texas became independent in 1836 or so. So, you’re telling me that a ten year period should be allowed to override an 175 years of control.
I know that most Tejanos have no love for Mexicans.
Tejanos are - and always have been - Americans and citizens, with the same rights and obligations as any other citizens. Neither do most native born Latinos have any more than a symbolic affection for the country of their ancestors - sort of in the same way that Italian-Americans feel for Italy, Irish-Americans feel for Ireland, Greek-Americans feel for Greece, etc.
Nor are many people whose ancestors hailed from Latin America “Hispanic” in any but the most nominal sense.
I grew up near a family from Cuba who escaped with the first wave of refugees from Castro. They would have been insulted beyond words to be lumped with Mexicans. I’ve known Argentines who considered themselves Europeans. And Colombians who felt a greater affinity with Spain than with any other country.

[Bokababe]

This would almost be a clever satirical comeback, except for one key factor which breaks the analogy: California is a part of the United States. Kosovo is NOT a part of Russia.

This IS "a clever satyrical comeback" because Kosovo IS part of Serbia. Even UN Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo is part of Serbia, but Bush says it's not. The US is pushing this Kosovo Indpendence move, even if it breaks international law. I am not a big fan of Russia, but they've got it right this time and we are 100% wrong. Why Bush is insistent on preserving the Clinton legacy, is beyond me!

[FormerLib]

What's that got to do with Kosovo? Kosovo is not a part of Russia.

Russia is, however, a close ally of Serbia plus they are sensitive to the problems that recognizing breakaway republics in the manner that Clinton wanted to do (and Bush appears to be carrying Bubba's water on this one).

I believe this article is satire although it does contain a large bit of truth to it.

But would it make a story at all if Serbia was to recognize Aztlan as a breakaway republic? The real problem is having a foreign power recognize such breakaways within your own nation and then getting the UN onboard with it as well. And you know the Leftists would probably insist that we recognize whatever the UN did!

Makes me wonder if anyone's been watching this and said to themselves "I know how the South can rise again, get those foreigners over at the UN to say "OK" to the idea!"

[dfwgator]

California is a part of the United States. Kosovo is NOT a part of Russia

Kosovo is NOT a part of the United States either, but that isn't stopping the administration from calling for it's Independence.