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The Conservative Case Against Ron Paul
Townhall.com ^ | June 15, 2007 | John Hawkins

Posted on 06/15/2007 7:24:20 AM PDT by Fiji Hill

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1 posted on 06/15/2007 7:24:22 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill
Uh-oh.

I guess I'd better get some popcorn ready.

2 posted on 06/15/2007 7:28:04 AM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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To: Allegra; OrthodoxPresbyterian

The other side of the story!

haha


3 posted on 06/15/2007 7:29:22 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: Allegra; Fiji Hill

No joke. We’re gonna have fireworks, and it ain’t even the Fourth yet.


4 posted on 06/15/2007 7:29:37 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Run Fred RUN!)
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To: Fiji Hill

>>>Ron Paul is one of the people spreading the North American Union conspiracy:

The NAU is a conspiracy theory?

But there is hard sourced docs on it???

::confused::


5 posted on 06/15/2007 7:29:52 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fiji Hill

#10) Ron Paul is a Log Cabin Republican.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1831372/posts
2004 - Log Cabin Congratulates Our Victorious Candidates (2004)


6 posted on 06/15/2007 7:30:46 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fiji Hill
A lot of Ron Paul's supporters are incredibly irritating

I think that comes from the fact that his supporters, or people who just stick up for the guy, are incredibly tired of the Republicans and the Democrats being the same party. In other words, they are pissed from the get go.
7 posted on 06/15/2007 7:31:30 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Fiji Hill

However, he also has a host of enormous flaws that makes him unqualified to be President and undesirable....
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And Hitlery does not?? It is sad, but the candidate offerings on both sides of the aisle for 2008 are disgusting, with only a few that qualify as conservatives and respectable. When you look at the liberal socialist side of the aisle, Paul does not look all that bad....political relativism.


8 posted on 06/15/2007 7:32:49 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Fiji Hill
Ron Paul is one of the people spreading the North American Union conspiracy:

I agree with Paul on a few things...this is one of them.

I do disagree with him on cutting and running and this makes him unelectable.

9 posted on 06/15/2007 7:33:06 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Fiji Hill
You list some of these items like they were bad.

A minor point that would tend to lend similar confusion to the other points:

Ron Paul is a libertarian, not a conservative. . .

This should say, if one were not confused about the concept, "Ron Paul is a libertarian, not a democrat or republican." Liberals and conservatives are found in all parties.

10 posted on 06/15/2007 7:33:20 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Allegra
I guess I'd better get some popcorn ready.

So long as you are not in Seattle. I think they banned it. :)
11 posted on 06/15/2007 7:38:56 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Fiji Hill

...”Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal,” Paul said.

...He added, “We don’t think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That’s true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.”

Is it safe to say Ron would not win in the District of Columbia? (ducking)


12 posted on 06/15/2007 7:41:11 AM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: Fiji Hill

complete nonsense.

Mr. Hawkins is a professional blogger.

Just one Keyboard cowboy’s opinion.


13 posted on 06/15/2007 7:42:48 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: Calpernia

I worry about the “North American Union” conspiracy about as much as most of us at Free Republic worry about global warming.


14 posted on 06/15/2007 7:44:44 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: WhiteGuy

If this is true, I am shocked the major media outlets are not running with these quotes and making him out to be David Duke. Then force the other candidates to distance themselves and aplogize for the GOP.


15 posted on 06/15/2007 7:47:49 AM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: Fiji Hill
I appreciate Ron Paul’s focus on the Constitution. His speeches on this topic are a much needed breath of fresh air in Washington, where elected officials find it so easy to ignore what it actually says.

However, where I part ways with Rep. Paul is that libertarians in general know far more what they are against then what they are for. They rightly view government as a big, ham-fisted, coercive intrusion in our lives. It consumes resources and returns little. However, libertarians act like everyone is only motivated by the desire to prosper by mutual free trade. Libertarians seem to not understand there is evil in the world, and evil can only be dealt with by force. Libertarians, by their basic doctrines (that a standing army is a bad thing) imply that the country would not have the means to defend itself.

This is where the issue of WMDs comes into play. Can we imagine a world with both Iran and a bellicose Saddam, still thumbing his nose at the UN inspectors, bribing nations via oil-for-food, and still shooting at our aircraft protecting the Kurds? Yet, Paul thinks that Iraq did nothing and we were wrong to invade.

I may not like how Bush’s team handled the war, but Paul would not have engaged Al-Quaeda at all. (If he has said otherwise, please post it.) Libertarians seem to think that Islamists only want to buy more Madonna DVDs at a better price. In fact they want to kill all infidels in part to stop Madonna from influencing their youth.

Libertarians don’t have an answer to Islam’s Three Demands: Convert, Submit or Die. If they do, they sure are not stating it very loudly.

16 posted on 06/15/2007 7:48:08 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: William Terrell

Libertarian is the title of both a political party (like Republican or Democrat), and a political philosophy (like conservative or liberal).

Ron Paul is not a conservative ... he is a libertarian.


17 posted on 06/15/2007 7:49:11 AM PDT by Arch-Conservative
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To: Fiji Hill

I don’t support him.

However, I dislike like poorly written non-specific smear attempts even less. If you’re going to attack his voting record and state candidate “X” took this position, at least state what the positions were and how they voted......

http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296


18 posted on 06/15/2007 7:51:03 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Fiji Hill
Conservatism starts with Washington’s position.

Farewell Address includes:
“The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.

Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it, for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements.”


---------- If the world wants to kill each other as they have for endless years, let us build our defenses and get out of the way. Continuing the role of world's lone supercop invites disaster.
19 posted on 06/15/2007 7:51:57 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: EagleUSA

Quite true; Paul sucks but Hillary (and Obama and Edwards and Dodd, et al) is infinitely suckier.


20 posted on 06/15/2007 7:53:32 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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