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To: Czar; Borax Queen; potlatch; devolve; janetgreen
"Meanwhile, I had someone very high up in this administration tell me when I asked him, point blank … this before I was able to read the whole thing because they snuck this in and wanted to get it passed in 48 hours without anyone reading it … will this bill have authority for state and local law enforcement to enforce these laws... “Absolutely,” said this member of the Bush administration. Three days later, when all those amendments were being poured out on to the floor of the Senate, out came an amendment giving state and local law enforcement the ability with probable cause to scrutinize the legal presence of a suspect if they have probable cause to believe a person is here illegally. That was roundly voted down. So this person was not only not telling me the truth, when someone tried to put it in there, it was voted out.

Liars, all!

23 posted on 06/16/2007 11:11:57 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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Sadly, this duplicity is par for the course. It's been going on for years. For those who haven't read it yet, I urge you to read IMMIGRATION AND USURPATION: ELITES, POWER, AND THE PEOPLE'S WILL, by a pro-American Mexican named Fredo Arias-King. He worked with the Vincente Fox campaign in 1999. During meetings with U.S legislators he became privy to our congressmen's real attitude toward border control. A couple gems from the article:
Some legislators had also mentioned to us (oftentimes laughing) how they had "defanged" or "gutted" anti-immigration bills and measures, by neglecting to fund this program or tabling that provision, or deleting the other measure, etc. "Yes, we passed that law, but it can’t work because we also…" was a usual comment to assuage the Mexican delegations.

...One leading Republican senator over a period of months was advising us, through a mutual acquaintance, about which mechanisms to follow and which other legislators to lobby in order to ensure passage of the amnesty proposal. In the meantime, he would speak on television about the need to "militarize" the border. This senator was recently singled out by a taxpayer’s advocacy group as a leader in "pork"-related politics...
As Arias-King points out, these attitudes are widespread in BOTH parties. They will promise us the moon regarding enforcement, but they know they will never have to deliver on the promises.

The article can be read, HERE. It's long, but it's a must read. There was also an FR thread about it a couple weeks ago HERE. I'm suprised talk radio hasn't mentioned the article explicitly because it's written by a pro-American insider who knows the Machiavellism of our leaders first hand.

82 posted on 06/16/2007 3:08:24 PM PDT by ishmac
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To: nicmarlo
"Liars, all!"

In addition to being traitors, a far more serious charge.

88 posted on 06/16/2007 5:09:14 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: nicmarlo
"Meanwhile, I had someone very high up in this administration tell me when I asked him, point blank … this before I was able to read the whole thing because they snuck this in and wanted to get it passed in 48 hours without anyone reading it … will this bill have authority for state and local law enforcement to enforce these laws... “Absolutely,” said this member of the Bush administration. Three days later, when all those amendments were being poured out on to the floor of the Senate, out came an amendment giving state and local law enforcement the ability with probable cause to scrutinize the legal presence of a suspect if they have probable cause to believe a person is here illegally. That was roundly voted down. So this person was not only not telling me the truth, when someone tried to put it in there, it was voted out."

LOL! It's all a mis-understaaaaaanding. You see, when the administration spokesmouth said LEAs could enforce "these laws," they meant that LEAs could enforce the new laws and regulations that would be promulgated upon the passage of the bill itself, meaning, they could enforce the non-investigation of suspects who they have reason to believe are illegals. So, for instance, if a local LEA tries to investigate the status of a non-English-speaker who was arrested for some random offense, the state or fed LEAs would "enforce the law," by going after the local LEA for violating the law. Very simple, don't you see? There are enforcement provisions. Just not the ones you want.

PS I can't claim to care a lot either way about this whole issue in particular. But it does drive me crazy when people in government aren't honest and straight with the rest of us. You would think if they had any actually good arguments for the bill they're pushing, they would have mentioned them by now. Instead all they do is hurl abuse and spread lies. That tells me a lot about them right there.
101 posted on 06/16/2007 9:42:04 PM PDT by omnivore
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