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Dr. Charles Krauthammer: Want Reform? Build a Fence
Chicago Tribune ^ | Published June 18, 2007

Posted on 06/18/2007 11:28:18 AM PDT by hardback

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To: Bob J
If a fence is built across the entire border the coyotes will revert to digging holes and tunnels, hence the need for electronic assistance.

Digging a tunnel is a damned sight slower and more expensive than simply making a break across open territory. Detecting tunnel construction is simple and cheap. Nobody would dig a tunnel without the fence there.

Fences work. That's why boy George has one around the White House. That's why the G-8 built a seven-mile fence around their meeting.

It was built in a few weeks.

21 posted on 06/18/2007 12:28:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Fashionable fascism for Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: sand88
"It's astounding how out of touch are our rulers."

It's not that they're out of touch. The problem is that their concerns are with those that derive greatly enhanced profits by driving down labor costs. Those are generally the same people that give the largest campaign contributions.

22 posted on 06/18/2007 12:28:49 PM PDT by Nova
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To: calex59

The San Diego fence worked at keeping them from crossing at San Diego, but the flow was diverted to the east county areas and Arizona.

BTW - I was responding to another poster about the need for electronic monitoring as well as the fence, so get your panties out of their wad.


23 posted on 06/18/2007 12:29:53 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...a conservative alternative to NPR! Check out nat synd "Rightalk with Terri and Lynn")
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To: hinckley buzzard

Jeez, I never said the fence was a losing proposition, just pointing out the need for electronic amenities to reduce tunneling success.


24 posted on 06/18/2007 12:34:48 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...a conservative alternative to NPR! Check out nat synd "Rightalk with Terri and Lynn")
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To: hardback

Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

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25 posted on 06/18/2007 12:35:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: Carry_Okie

CO, I wasn’t criticizing the fence, but no one disputes it has rerouted much of the traffic elsewhere, particularly AZ which has seen their traffic quadruple.

I was pointing out the need for the electronic surveillence in tandem with the fence.


26 posted on 06/18/2007 12:40:25 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...a conservative alternative to NPR! Check out nat synd "Rightalk with Terri and Lynn")
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To: Carry_Okie

BTW - What the SD fence has shown is that the ENTIRE border needs one to be optimally effective.


27 posted on 06/18/2007 12:41:10 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...a conservative alternative to NPR! Check out nat synd "Rightalk with Terri and Lynn")
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To: Bob J
All the San Diego fence did was reroute traffic to different areas. If a fence is built across the entire border the coyotes will revert to digging holes and tunnels, hence the need for electronic assistance.

Sink the base of the fence 50 ft underground. It might not stop everyone - but it will stop a huge percentage. Then put cameras all along the US side to watch for burrowers. It is doable.

I'd be willing to bet if someone ran for President next year with the platform of building a wall across the entire southern border - they would win in a landslide.

28 posted on 06/18/2007 12:44:45 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: hardback

Build the fence, secure our borders, but amnesty STILL is not up for discussion.

NO compromise, either way.


29 posted on 06/18/2007 1:00:45 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (“You’re going to have to [give illegals] aspirations of citizenship” F. Thompson, 2006)
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To: Tokra

Very true. Also, I believe the fence plan which has been approved is really a double fence. That way, digging a tunnel 10 feet long does no real good. You have to tunnel under two fences, which takes much longer. Couple that with electronic surveillance and the number that could make it through would be too small to possibly matter.


30 posted on 06/18/2007 1:03:13 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: Carry_Okie
A Great Sound bite could be extracted from your line.

Extract the bitter condescension, add some alliteration and start a campaign to call talk shows with it. When it sounds good to say it, it will get repeated.

My following attempt isn't short enough or clever enough, but I encourage others to try and perfect this.


31 posted on 06/18/2007 1:05:34 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (We have always been at war with global warming. Global cooling is our friend.)
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To: hardback
Hire the Israeli's to do it..

Maybe they can engineer it and sub it out to Haliburton..


32 posted on 06/18/2007 1:08:03 PM PDT by taildragger
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To: Tokra

We should get a fence up along the entire border as quickly as possible to create “facts on the ground”. Politically, its easier for the open border crowd to block a proposed fence than it would be to tear down an existing one.

Once we have the basic fence up, we can upgrade it over time (add electronic sensors, roads, second line of fences, etc.).

Hell, we can make the globalizers happy (and save money) by fighting fire by fire— call the Chinese and outsource the job to the PLA .
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-10-16-china-nkorea_x.htm


33 posted on 06/18/2007 1:09:21 PM PDT by Maximum Leader (run from a knife, close on a gun)
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To: Bob J
I was pointing out the need for the electronic surveillence in tandem with the fence.

I have no problem with that. I'm sensitive however to the idea that electronic surveillance alone will suffice. It's simply a force multiplier, focusing manpower upon where there is activity.

Insofar as a "virtual fence" is concerned, cut the power and it's gone.

34 posted on 06/18/2007 1:09:47 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Fashionable fascism for Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: Bob J
What the SD fence has shown is that the ENTIRE border needs one to be optimally effective.

Agreed.

35 posted on 06/18/2007 1:10:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Fashionable fascism for Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: taildragger
A fence like that must be very carefully engineered if there is the potential for significant runoff.
36 posted on 06/18/2007 1:12:06 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Fashionable fascism for Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: hardback

The way to solve the illegal problem and the border scurity issue is to pay the illegals to build the wall.

They get their final pay check when they finish the wall by digging a wide deep moat - on the SOUTH side of the wall.


37 posted on 06/18/2007 1:19:00 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: hardback
Build the Fence NOW! It works in Israel....

and in Korea as well....54 years....and counting...

Heck, even this fence would be better than what we have now!


38 posted on 06/18/2007 1:19:19 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one BYJ movie at a time! (http://www.byj.co.kr))
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To: hardback

We’re integrating first with Mexico, then with Central and South America and Canada. Nobody voted on this abandonment of US Constitution and sovereignty. It’s being foisted on a hapless, dumb, general public in the interests of globalism and big transnational business. Our ‘tired’ elites the CFR, thought it was a good idea, that a rising economic tide would lift third world economies in the hemisphere. We’ve been lied to repeatedly, and the lies keep coming. (The lack of a fence in wartime is ludicrous.) Meanwhile the MSM cooperates in keeping the word, Muslim, out of headlines about terrorist attacks in the US. This transnational highway is central to their nefarious plot and must be stopped.


39 posted on 06/18/2007 1:26:45 PM PDT by hershey
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To: taildragger
I like it! Needs some of these though ...


40 posted on 06/18/2007 1:31:20 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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