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Geronimo great-grandson wants bones back
AP via CoCoTimes ^ | 6/19/7

Posted on 06/19/2007 7:32:29 AM PDT by SmithL

SANTA FE, N.M.—Legend has it that Yale University's ultrasecret Skull and Bones society swiped the remains of American Indian leader Geronimo nearly a century ago from an army outpost in Oklahoma, and now Geronimo's great-grandson wants the remains returned.

Harlyn Geronimo, of Mescalero, N.M., wants to prove the skull and bones that were purported spirited from the Indian leader's burial plot in Fort Sill, Okla., to a stone tomb that serves as the club's headquarters are in fact those of his great-grandfather.

If so, he wants to bury them near Geronimo's birthplace in southern New Mexico's Gila Wilderness.

"He died as a prisoner of war, and he is still a prisoner of war because his remains were not returned to his homeland," said Harlyn Geronimo, 59. "Presently, we are looking for a proper consecrated burial."

If the bones aren't those of Geronimo, Harlyn Geronimo is certain they belonged to one of the Apache prisoners who died at Fort Sill. He said they should still be returned.

Harlyn Geronimo sent a letter last year to President Bush, asking for his help in recovering the bones. He figures since the president's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was allegedly one of those who helped steal the bones in 1918, the president would want to help return them to their rightful place.

But Harlyn Geronimo said: "I haven't heard a word."

The White House did not respond to messages asking for comment.

Both President Bush and his Advertisement father, former President George H.W. Bush, attended Yale and joined the elite club. Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, is also a Bonesman, as are many other men in powerful government and industry positions.

Members are sworn to secrecy, one reason they won't say whether the club has Geronimo's bones.

"The reason there's all these conspiracy theories around Skull and Bones is because their loyalty to one another goes beyond their public differences," said historian and former Yale Alumni Magazine editor Marc Wortman.

Skull and Bones is one of a dozen secret Yale societies, according to Yale spokeswoman Gila Reinstein.

"If it's true about the bones, that's disrespectful and disturbing," she said.

John Fryar, a retired Bureau of Indian Affairs special agent in antiquities recovery and a member of Acoma Pueblo, said if the secret society does have remains, they should be returned to Fort Sill.

"To ignore a request like this for the return of human remains is totally uncalled for. Look at our guys going to Vietnam to recover remains. It's the same thing," he said.

For Harlyn Geronimo, this is the beginning of what he assumes will be a long fight and he's preparing in a traditional way.

Six months ago, he and a group of fellow medicine men traveled to Fort Sill and to the Gila Wilderness for prayer ceremonies.

Before any major endeavor, Harlyn Geronimo said, it's typical to hold "a prayer session that will guide us in the right direction."

Harlyn Geronimo grew up hearing stories about his great-grandfather and other Apache warriors who fought relentlessly against the Mexican and U.S. armies.

After their families were captured and sent to Florida, Geronimo and 35 warriors finally surrendered to Gen. Nelson A. Miles near the Arizona-New Mexico border in 1886. Geronimo was eventually sent to Fort Sill, where he died of pneumonia in 1909.

Harlyn Geronimo has said he wants to the world to know that the famed Indian fighter was also a healer and spiritual leader.

"Yes, he was a great warrior. At one time a quarter of the entire United States Army was after him—along with 500 scouts and 3,000 men from the Mexican Army—and they still couldn't find him," Harlyn Geronimo said.

"They had their top athletes involved in tracking him but they couldn't keep up. He was a great military strategist. But many people don't know about his spiritual side."

Harlyn Geronimo wants to create a 12-foot bronze of his great-grandfather to be placed at the warrior's birthplace in the Gila. He also would like to see a new biography of Geronimo that incorporates sound historical research and also mines the wealth of information still available from living family members.

"We have a lot of oral history that has been passed down to us that has never been published," he said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: geronimo; skullandbones
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1 posted on 06/19/2007 7:32:31 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Just read the headline... maybe he should try Viagra.


2 posted on 06/19/2007 7:33:47 AM PDT by nctexan
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To: NormsRevenge
Follow-up to: 1918 Letter Claims Geronimo's Bones Found
3 posted on 06/19/2007 7:34:33 AM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: SmithL

Well I have never heard of this before. I guess if its his bones they should give them back.


4 posted on 06/19/2007 7:35:51 AM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: SmithL

I wonder if they can DNA test the bones and determine with any accuracy if they really are Geronimo’s (or another Apache?) If so, of course they should be returned for burial.

}:-)4


5 posted on 06/19/2007 7:36:37 AM PDT by Moose4 (Effing the ineffable since 1966.)
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To: nctexan
"Just read the headline... maybe he should try Viagra."

Or perhaps he should just go See Alice...
7 posted on 06/19/2007 7:37:39 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: LIConFem

I thought they buried Geronimo in the Black Hills where no White Man would ever find him?


8 posted on 06/19/2007 7:40:25 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Moose4

If they are the bones of Geronimo or any other contemporary Indian they should be returned for burial.

If they are the bones of any contemporary non-Native American, they too, should be buried.

Grave robbing is a despicable crime and the lack of response from the White House is troubling.

Treating the remains of dead enemies with contempt was a common and accepted practise in the past. By the late 19th Century it had become a repugnant habit generally restricted to the remains of recent American Indians in this Country.

Thanks to acts like this, we have the current idiotic federal law which extends protection to the bones of palaeo-indians who died thousands of years ago and have no certain connections to anyone living today. Kennebec man is a case in point.

Personally I find it disturbing that such secret societies persist today, that some of them are so eltitist in nature as the “Skull and Bones” society and that people so ostensibly opposite in political viewpoints as Kerrry and Jorge owe greater allegience to it, apparently, than they do to common decency.


9 posted on 06/19/2007 7:46:41 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: SmithL

I wanna ride in Geronimo’s Cadillac.


10 posted on 06/19/2007 7:48:06 AM PDT by dmz
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To: massgopguy

I believe that may have been Crazy Horse. He was buried standing up in a rock crevice somewhere. Only He Dog and a few other Sioux knew where.


11 posted on 06/19/2007 7:55:20 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SmithL

Might be Geronimo or might not. Give up the bones since it doesn’t matter one way or the other. If necessary for some ritual purposes make plaster cast bones and use those. Plaster cast bones are very realistic these days and will work just as well as real bones.


12 posted on 06/19/2007 7:58:44 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: SmithL

If the remains are in fact those of his Great Grandfather...then they SHOULD be returned and treated with respect.


13 posted on 06/19/2007 8:14:49 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: SmithL
"Both President Bush and his Advertisement father, former President George H.W. Bush,..."

Never heard that term before, what the hell does that mean?

14 posted on 06/19/2007 8:26:59 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Resolute Conservative

You sir, are correct.


15 posted on 06/19/2007 8:36:53 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: bigfootbob
"Both President Bush and his Advertisement father, former President George H.W. Bush,..."

When the article was copied there was an ad in that spot - just a place marker.

16 posted on 06/19/2007 8:39:57 AM PDT by Sax
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To: Sax
I thought that might be the case. However, it sounded like the author was using a colloquialism I hadn’t seen before.
17 posted on 06/19/2007 8:47:56 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: SmithL

Unfortunately, what we did to the native Americans was not our finest hour. But if we did not move to populate this country it would have been someone else. Regardless, the Indians were doomed. After saying that, it would be proper to return his remains to his relatives.


18 posted on 06/19/2007 9:01:36 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: SmithL
"But this skull is so tiny. It's the skull of a small child!"

"Si, Señor! It was Geronimo's skull when he was a little boy!"

19 posted on 06/19/2007 9:10:18 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus ("Eat yer groatcakes, Porgy!" "Heavy on the thirty weight, Mom!")
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To: massgopguy
I wouldn't know. I wasn't invited to the funeral (being a white woman, and all...).

;o)
20 posted on 06/19/2007 9:31:16 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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