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Nurses in Katrina Euthanasia Case Offered Immunity for Grand Jury Testimony
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| 6/21/07
| Hilary White
Posted on 06/21/2007 4:08:20 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: Grizzled Bear
Would you or would you not kill your mother if she was suffering?
In certain circumstances, yes I would.
Now your answer about flight 93.
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posted on
06/21/2007 8:22:42 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: P-40
RE:the Iranian airliner.
I believe that was brought down by a ship -fired ground to air missile much more powerful than the ones usually carried on patrolling aircraft.
Intercepting an airborne theat is an exercise in applied math;if your fighter is too far away it won't get there in time to make a difference.It takes time to get from the ready room into the cockpit,start engines,takeoff and attain altitude and get within range.Even airliners move several miles per minute and allowing time to ascertain that any jetliner is a threat means any area fairly near(having its own ) airport is very vulnerable.The American defense of the 1960s and later relied on identifying the bombers by radar and then sending up fighters to take them out. We had at least one command and control craft airborne along with escorts,and radar pickets but never did I hear of multiple squadrons routinely patrolling round the clock.It would take a huge number to keep interceptors in range of every potential target round the clock.
Notice the aircraft forced to land have been small private planes,usually near D.C.
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posted on
06/21/2007 8:31:07 PM PDT
by
hoosierham
(Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
To: P-40
Assuming I have the authority to make this decision...
You specifically referred to flight 93.
Once it was clear that the planes were used as missiles I would give orders to attempt to force a landing. Flight 93 spent long periods of time over sparsely populated areas so there would likely be less collateral damage.
I would order it shot down as a last resort.
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posted on
06/21/2007 8:33:52 PM PDT
by
Grizzled Bear
("Does not play well with others.")
To: HiTech RedNeck
LOL ~ I think that was adulterers. And I’ve heard there’s even hope for them.
144
posted on
06/21/2007 8:35:22 PM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
To: hoosierham
believe that was brought down by a ship -fired ground to air missile
That it was...but I don't remember the missile type. I just felt sorry for the crewman that had to make the decision...but from his vantage point...it made sense.
And I do remember the American defense system of the Cold War era but did not know that it had been so effectively dismantled...and kept wondering where they all were on 9/11. I think it was Boston that was trying to call the alert site for help...not knowing it had been closed for years. If I remember right there were 22 sites on alert at all times back then. On 9/11 there were seven but none were on alert....and there were only two aircraft apiece.
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posted on
06/21/2007 8:37:11 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: Grizzled Bear
I would order it shot down as a last resort.
As would I. Many on this board would call us murderers for that.
146
posted on
06/21/2007 8:39:26 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: P-40
As would I. Many on this board would call us murderers for that.
We are not the same.
There is a big difference. On one hand you have collateral damage that occurs when you are forced to kill your enemy. This must be avoided whenever possible. Sometimes you cannot avoid it. However; this is not the same as murdering a helpless person in a hospital bed.
The distinction seems beyond your understanding.
I pity you.
147
posted on
06/21/2007 8:48:42 PM PDT
by
Grizzled Bear
("Does not play well with others.")
To: Grizzled Bear
There is a big difference.
As pointed out by posters earlier, murder is murder. In one case you are preventing the future suffering of the intended targets by killing passengers in their seats, in the other you are easing suffering of patients in their beds when the outcome is death either painfully or comfortably. Any way you want to look at it, it is still what many here would call murder.
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posted on
06/21/2007 9:00:22 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: P-40
As pointed out by posters earlier, murder is murder.
- There are differences. I do not determine my morals by the consensus of others but by the word of God.
In one case you are preventing the future suffering of the intended targets by killing passengers in their seats, in the other you are easing suffering of patients in their beds when the outcome is death either painfully or comfortably.
- I spoke before about collateral damage. How many additional lives would be lost if the plane was not brought down? How many additional lives would be lost if you refrained from killing the invalids in their beds? Do you still refuse to see there is difference?
Any way you want to look at it, it is still what many here would call murder.
- Again; I do not try to conform to what others see as right in their own eyes.
I am finished discussing this with you.
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posted on
06/21/2007 9:10:25 PM PDT
by
Grizzled Bear
("Does not play well with others.")
To: Grizzled Bear
The distinction seems beyond your understanding.
And to answer that separately, in one case you have chronically ill patients that were most likely aware of the score who were given high doses of a drug to make them comfortable and may have killed them, intentionally or no, in a hospital with few resources to care for those that were left. In the other case, that of collateral damage, you have people who may or may not be in the prime of their life who may or may not even understand why they are someone's enemy being killed or maimed for life.
Which distinction should bother me the most?
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posted on
06/21/2007 9:10:34 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: Grizzled Bear
Do you still refuse to see there is difference?
Oh, there are differences...but the questions remain the same. And yes, by not using the limited resources on the chronically ill, perhaps lives were saved. Would you feel differently about it then?
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posted on
06/21/2007 9:14:28 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: P-40
Murder is murder. But other things are not.
You have a utilitarian view of life that allows you to coldly calculate the fate of others. This is not normal. Death necessarily involves emotion, because of our connection to our fellow man. That connection is what prevents us from murdering each other, and it’s what allows us to distinguish between murder and other situations that involve killing. Without that connection, we’re all just resources to be managed.
These doctors killed their patients rather than provide medical care. It wasn’t because they couldn’t provide care. It wasn’t because they had no other choice. They killed them to make their own lives easier. They had a very difficult situation on their hands, and they weren’t used to that. They were used to ideal conditions. Well you don’t get to kill your patients just because they’re difficult.
A doctor holds a sacred position of trust. They broke that trust. They’re expected to put their patients’ lives ahead of all else. People go through worse conditions every day, with less at stake, for minumum wage. Doctors are getting better than minimum wage for their efforts, so they should put forth the effort. Even if it’s hard. Your average burger flipper would have a better understanding of the lives at stake than those doctors showed. They treated their patients like products. When the assembly line broke down, they disposed of the products and closed up shop. That is not the way doctors are supposed to treat patients.
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posted on
06/21/2007 9:26:49 PM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
To: P-40
in one case you have chronically ill patients that were most likely aware of the score who were given high doses of a drug to make them comfortable and may have killed them, intentionally or no, in a hospital with few resources to care for those that were left. No, you don't. How many times do you have to be told? They were not given comfort care. They were given lethal injections. There is a difference.
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posted on
06/21/2007 9:30:47 PM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
To: BykrBayb
Forget it BykrBayb
Don’t argue with a fool. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
It’s been clear that P-40 constantly side stepped questions. He accused others of avoiding questions and even questioned my military service.
I enjoy a conversation, and even heated debates, with people I don’t agree with. I expect the other(s) to follow basic rules of decorum. It seems that this is something else P-40 doesn’t grasp.
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posted on
06/21/2007 9:32:58 PM PDT
by
Grizzled Bear
("Does not play well with others.")
To: wagglebee
This was the topic on WWL radio tonight, and if the callers are any indication, a lot of people think this prosecution is a witch hunt.
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posted on
06/22/2007 1:26:25 AM PDT
by
kms61
To: wagglebee
Circumstances might mitigate the penalty but definitely not the crime.
To: wagglebee
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posted on
06/22/2007 4:06:38 AM PDT
by
8mmMauser
(Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
To: Mila
Thank you, I will read that. I don’t think it has a happy ending, though. :(
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posted on
06/22/2007 4:07:59 AM PDT
by
NonValueAdded
(Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
To: wagglebee
A intentional death would not happen at the hospital I work at. We are part of the Catholic Health Partners. Excluding some lone freak like Dr. Jack
T. Package RN
159
posted on
06/22/2007 4:21:20 AM PDT
by
Total Package
(TOLEDO, OHIO THE MRSA INFECTION IN THE STATE)
To: BykrBayb
I would have wanted to be euthanized in this situation.
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