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To: betty boop
Everybody "suffers" from the observer problem! It cannot be obviated under any conditions at all. It deals with our limited perspective as cognizing human beings that results in necessarily partial knowledge.

IOW, "the observer problem" is not a stick with which to beat one's opponent; it is a universal human condition. I have it; you have it; we all have it.

I understand. What I don't understand (without attribututing motives) is how it is that asking questions based on the assumption that theologians may suffer from it the same as scientists seems to be taken as an unfair tactic.

503 posted on 07/02/2007 10:37:39 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; metmom; spirited irish; Coyoteman; js1138
What I don't understand (without attribututing motives) is how it is that asking questions based on the assumption that theologians may suffer from it the same as scientists seems to be taken as an unfair tactic.

So be wary of making assumptions about what others are saying, especially if you don't know the speaker.... If in doubt, it's better to ask for an outright clarification of what they're saying rather than to assume you understand what they said.

Both philosophers/theologians and scientists are human beings, and both are just as likely to have opinions formed from their own (limited) knowledge and experience. Both may also have valuable things to say; and they are not necessarily "mutually opposed," but perhaps each represents a complementary view.

The best rule (it seems to me) is to listen to what people have to say, and avoid "attributing motives," or otherwise trying to make one's opponent "look bad" (such as attempting to disqualify one's opponent as not qualified to speak to an issue -- I see that one around here a lot -- or gratuitously redefining his argument in absurd ways).

Here's a great rule of thumb from Victor Davis Hanson:

"In writing opinion journalism ... it’s a good idea to follow two general rules: never gratuitously, maliciously, or unfairly personally attack anyone — and never let a serious attack against yourself go unanswered."

At the end of the day it is always possible to disagree yet still be civil in one's disagreement.

Just my two cents worth, tacticalogic. Thank you so much for writing!

534 posted on 07/02/2007 12:17:59 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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