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To: betty boop
You're welcome! Some might disagree with me on this point, but I find the root of the problem as a clash between the religious presuppositions of theists and anti-theists/neo-pagans (who worship Darwin's Natural Selection god). If we can somehow all agree on this fact, we can start comparing the evidence for our respective positions with a lot less heat, and a lot more light.
574 posted on 07/02/2007 1:55:02 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I find the root of the problem as a clash between the religious presuppositions of theists and anti-theists/neo-pagans (who worship Darwin's Natural Selection god)

Maybe just an unfortunate choice of terminology, but wouldn't a "neo-pagan" hold that nature should have the attributes of God? This after all is the distinction between Pantheism (which holds that God is entirely within the world, or is the same as the world) versus Theism (which holds that God is apart from the world, although maybe additionally immanent within it).

It seems to me that a pagan or pantheist would, or at least should, be MORE likely to have a problem with a mindless mechanism like natural selection, since the pagan thinks that nature is supposed to contain mind. OTOH a Theist, who believes that nature is a made thing, with no divine nature inherent in itself, wouldn't have any problem, in principal (at least before we get into Biblical literalism and such), with the notion of mindless mechanisms operating within the creaturely realm.

575 posted on 07/02/2007 2:03:11 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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