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To: Air Force Brat

Sorry - the opponent during the Cold War was afraid of getting hit back as hard as he could hit us. Mutual Assured Destruction was a viable means of keeping the enemy somewhat at bay. (And given the atheist nature of Communists - they don’t want to end this life early - since they believe there is nothing after this life.)

On the other hand - our present enemy - exemplified by Islamic Nazism, is willing to kill any women or children as they kill themselves. Their hate is irrational, and Mutual Assured Destruction is a blessing to them, because it might usher in either the Caliphate in this world, or the return of the 12th Iman, and they have a chance to go directly to paradise.

But the article fails to indicate that these “warrantless wiretaps” are focused on tapping phones of non-citizens who have been linked to terrorism. Those opposed to these types of wire taps are basically stating that our country must use the Marquis of Queensbury rules on Islamic terrorists, while they are free to ignore any and all rules of civilized behavior.

Our voters should know which politicians want to extend Constitutional protections, Miranda-type rights to terrorists, whether they are operating inside this country, or outside this country. Sort of like during WWI, when a politician decried any effort at intelligence gathering and spying ... “gentlemen don’t read other gentlemen’s mail.”

To liken this to Ben Franklin’s statement is fairly ignorant of history. We are not sacrificing rights of citizens (unless there is an inherent right to converse with a terrorist without). The Constitution is not a suicide pact, and those people not in this country that don’t respect the Constitution do not deserve ANY protections of the Constitution.

And the New York Times - in leaking the fact that our country was wire-tapping these foreign phone calls - decided to come down on the side of the terrorists. What is the term for someone who aids and abets an enemy of our country? Of course, the NY Times failed to fully cover the story. Why not indicate that often we might capture terrorists with cell phones or computers, and when we track back and look at numbers in the computer, or numbers dialed (or called in) - there might be a reason to go for a wire-tap those numbers. There might be many reasons to keep the program quiet (lest it leak, like it did) ...and there are othen reasons why it might take time to go through a judge (and where in the Constitution does it say a judge needs to approve a wire-tap of a foreign call coming into our country?). But lets not confuse the public with all the facts - there might be a large majority that don’t want to unilaterally disarm, and would vote out politicians stupid enough to parrot the Ben Franklin line (like Bernie Sanders of VT).

Mike


11 posted on 06/23/2007 10:57:56 PM PDT by Vineyard
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To: Vineyard

Interesting.

You wrote:

“But the article fails to indicate that these “warrantless wiretaps” are focused on tapping phones of non-citizens who have been linked to terrorism.”

Do you believe that? Only “non-citizens who have been linked to terrorism?” Outside of the bleatings of administration apologists, where is the proof? Oh. Yes. We must trust those in authority.

Fast forward a couple of years. Do you trust that authority in the hands of Dennis Kucinich? Hillary? Howard Dean?

Really?

Well, I don’t. And I don’t trust it in the hands of our current administration, either.

I have no doubt that the monitoring without warrants has extended well beyond supposed Islamic extremists. After all, without warrants there is no review, no oversight. FISA was not a major burden.

That it has been tossed overboard by a highly secretive administration without credible justification tells me someone in Washington has something to hide. There is no proof that I’ve seen that monitoring has been limited to non-citizens, and I don’t trust this government as far as I can toss them. Maybe I’m a little too libertarian for some.

Whatever. I stand by my position. We face a rabble who in their wildest dreams can be no more than a mosquito on the elephant. I for one will not yield to unwarranted fear.

I feel sorry for those who espouse hopeful, wishful arguments such as you have made.

Good luck to you.


15 posted on 06/23/2007 11:26:09 PM PDT by Air Force Brat
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