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To: JB in Whitefish
When I post word that over 10,000 U.S. Servicemen were used as Human Test Rats to develop Bio-Chemical Weapons between 1962 and 1972....NONE of whom were informed of the dangers they faced...

You are comparing apples to oranges here. There IS a difference between certain death and trying to prevent death.

Please post in more appropriate forums...

50 posted on 06/24/2007 10:35:56 AM PDT by John123 (Bill barely mentions Hillary in his memoirs... I will now light myself on fire)
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To: John123
Please post in more appropriate forums...

It's still not too late to declare him IBTZ

:)

52 posted on 06/24/2007 10:49:48 AM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: John123

Precisely WHICH forum here in your majestic overview IS “appropirate” when it concerns the deaths of THOUSANDS of U.S. Soldiers.

I see you have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about.

WHO’s death was “prevented” by Project 112/SHAD.

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You and everyone ELSE here evidently think it’s some kind of “duty” to stand around mute when your OWN government gasses you, lies about it, threatens you with Federal Prison if you EVER speak about the program, and lets the lot of you die ignominious deaths with no assistance for DECADES.

Mighty fine that.

But, then.....REALITY must have a seperate forum as well around here...eh....???

WHERE is it?


54 posted on 06/24/2007 11:36:09 AM PDT by JB in Whitefish
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To: John123

“You are comparing apples to oranges here. There IS a difference between certain death and trying to prevent death.

Please post in more appropriate forums...”

I see....well, then are YOU going to explain that to the family of Larry Pilkinton...???

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Project 112/SHAD REPORT
Larry Pilkinton, 1938-2007

BY JACK ALDERSON, CHAIR

Larry Pilkinton served with the Project SHAD Technical Staff. I first met him when the light tugs were reorganized, and I and other new crew members reported in October 1964. The following is an excerpt from his obituary: “In 1964 he was selected for Project 112/SHAD, which was a top-secret project of chemical and biological warfare tests. He had various duties for SHAD, and in addition to his laboratory research work, he was assistant safety officer and exposed to many agents. He was injured in the line of duty but could not receive a medical discharge due to the top-secret nature of his duties. So after serving almost 13 years, he received an honorable discharge from the Navy.”

Now for the rest of the story: Larry was not on board the light tugs (LTs) but was assigned as part of the laboratory and support staff. After returning from the test called Shady Grove, Larry was sent to Hawaii’s Big Island as part of a land test. He told me that he was loading bomblets with nerve and biological agents. The next thing he knew was when he woke up back in Oahu at Tripler Army Hospital.

When we heard that he had been injured, a couple of the crew went to see him. However, they were denied entry by a Marine stationed outside his room. The next time we were in port we were informed he had died and that his family had shipped back to the mainland. Everyone on the staff thought of him dead, including those who worked closely with him.

It came as a great shock then when I received an e-mail from him in March 2006. He had read one of these columns in The VVA Veteran. In talking with him and his wife, Doreen, he told me that he had been shipped to Oaknoll Naval Hospital and placed in the psychiatric ward. He was told that he had a prior mental illness and his security clearance was revoked. His medical records had no indication he was part of the SHAD staff. Rather than going back to being a regular hospital orderly, he preferred to leave the Navy and restart his life as a civilian.

The Project SHAD Technical Staff members were carefully selected and all had final secret security clearances and, periodically, interim top secret. This means that background investigations had been performed. Why had this not come up with evidence of his prior mental illnesses? Why were his medical records devoid of PSTS information?

Agent Orange Committee chair Buzz Sawyer noted, “Larry died on February 13. Many of us feel his demise was related to the latent effects of his exposure to chemical and biological weapons on the Big Island in 1966. Because of the classified nature of his work, he died without establishing service connection to his illness or survivor benefits for his widow. The VA would only consider his prior mental illness.”

Sawyer added, “It is truly a shame that agencies of our government hide behind the veil of “national security” to cover up and block requests for information that may aid veterans in their quest for their rights. They check out our backgrounds thoroughly. But they obfuscate and they lie, and it is the veteran who gave honest and upright service who is hurt.”

It just ain’t right.

http://www.vva.org/veteran/0407/shad.html

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You see, Larry’s just as dead as anyone in Halabja. He just had to wait a bit longer...died one of those slow, agonizing deaths that someone wished on Chemical Ali.

I guess it pales in YOUR eyes ...why...???

Because his death was “inappropriate”...???

No, what you DON’T “get” is that ALL the Project 112/SHAD participants were lied to.....told, “It’s only harmless simulants”.....provided NO “protective gear” in 99% of instances...and afforded NO decent medical care or disability ratings.

This has stood for over 35 years.

I guess old news...when it concerns wrongdoing by the VA-DOD is just not “interesting” enough to folks of your kind....????

Screw the SHAD/112 Veterans...!!!


58 posted on 06/24/2007 11:51:01 AM PDT by JB in Whitefish
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