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28 Mile Virtual Fence is Rising Along the Border [Over Budget, Behind Schedule]
The New York Times ^ | June 21, 2007 | Randal C. Archibold

Posted on 06/25/2007 10:04:14 PM PDT by de meanr

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To: EternalVigilance
New tagline...

Yeah, I've about got myself worked up to the point that if this amnesty passes I'm going third Party, or fishing next November. I'll be back on Fred!'s & Hunter's bandwagon if this zombie dies again. Until then, I feel like kind of a hypocrite supporting anyone right now. I got carried away a little earlier and donated to Fred! when he first opened his website. Not much, but now I feel a little guilty when I think about sticking it to the GOP in '08.

In addition to making me angry, these politicians are making me confused...

21 posted on 06/25/2007 10:38:03 PM PDT by de meanr (No Amnesty)
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To: EternalVigilance

B U M P


22 posted on 06/25/2007 10:38:32 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks

I agree. A real fence is crap. There has to be a wall. The “fence” idea is only to appease the lowlifes that they think we are.


23 posted on 06/25/2007 10:40:11 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron (Taxation WITH representation sucks, TOO!)
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To: flashbunny
"I hope the GOP learns to appreciate Virtual Donations."

ROFL

24 posted on 06/25/2007 10:41:52 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron (Taxation WITH representation sucks, TOO!)
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To: EternalVigilance
New tagline...

I thought you were talking to me, since I just changed my tagline earlier in this thread. In the famous words of Emily Litella - Never Mind.

25 posted on 06/25/2007 10:44:25 PM PDT by de meanr (No Amnesty)
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To: de meanr
I wonder what it’s going to take?

Conservatives following through and actually not supporting the "party" and not voting for RINO's, no matter who the opposition is. They still really believe that no matter what we say we will continue voting for their candidates because we have "no choice".

Oh yes we do!

26 posted on 06/25/2007 10:45:54 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: de meanr

I think it’s going to take @ 300 million Americans standing up and saying, “OK, this government has failed so we want a new one, per the Constitution.”

The gov’t has us outgunned but if everyone would be willing to just stop and say, “No more!” then they MIGHT wake up.

It should have happened a long time ago but people are either too afraid to lose what they have immediately instead of losing just a little bit of it each day, as is happening now, or are too apathetic.


27 posted on 06/25/2007 10:47:07 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron (Taxation WITH representation sucks, TOO!)
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To: El Gran Salseron

But even a wall is crap if people know that all they have to do is get over it and they will not be prosecuted for their crime.


28 posted on 06/25/2007 10:49:19 PM PDT by DancesWithBolsheviks (Demands, marches and media sob stories diminish my compassion.)
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To: de meanr

You donated to Fred. He is not the GOP. I happen to think that the GOP sees him more as a loose cannon. I don’t think the GOP likes him very much.

Run, Fred! RUN!


29 posted on 06/25/2007 10:50:22 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron (Taxation WITH representation sucks, TOO!)
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To: DanielLongo

I love your response.


30 posted on 06/25/2007 10:51:22 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: El Gran Salseron
people are [] too afraid to lose what they have

That's what holds most people in the middle back. People that have nothing are risking nothing. People that have a lot can buy change.

31 posted on 06/25/2007 10:53:09 PM PDT by de meanr (No Amnesty)
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To: de meanr
I'm very partial to virtual incentives for the illegals.

Virtual fences, steel fences, cement walls are all addressing the symptom.

The only solution is to address the problem, eliminate the incentives.

If there is no free stuff, and no jobs, they won't come.

32 posted on 06/25/2007 10:55:53 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: El Gran Salseron
Fred. He is not the GOP.

That may be true, but I'm seriously thinking about sitting the next one out, so it doesn't make much sense to donate. At least not yet.

33 posted on 06/25/2007 10:57:28 PM PDT by de meanr (No Amnesty)
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks

The wall of which I speak has armed machine gun nests. I supposed I should have explained my whole plan. Build the wall 100 yards away from the recognized border. Call that 100 yard strip a “buffer zone.” Remove all vegetation and any other obstacles where the invaders can hide. Armed machine gun nests with standing orders that say, “If anything in the buffer zone moves, cut it down. Don’t retrieve whatever it was that was moving. Let it rot in the Sun as examples to other invaders.”

After all, many don’t realize it but this is, in essence, a war right here on our home turf.


34 posted on 06/25/2007 10:57:29 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron (Taxation WITH representation sucks, TOO!)
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To: de meanr

My biggest problem with a virtual fence is there will be no way for us (citizens) to know if it is being maintained or utilized as it should be. If an actual serious fence is built- then we will know if it is maintained or not.


35 posted on 06/25/2007 10:58:00 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks
Even a real fence is crap if there is no intent to enforce the laws for breaching the fence or for being in the country illegally. Only about 40% of illegal aliens sneak across a border. The rest come in legally but overstay their tourist/student/etc visas. I’m sure alot of politicans will be happy to show how they ‘secured the border’ but allow all sorts of illegal presence in the country to flourish. Securing the border is just one tiny part of soveriegnty. Accept no substitutes.

Good points.

36 posted on 06/25/2007 11:00:11 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: de meanr

That’s true. I’ll either sit it out or vote third party but my inclination at this point in time is to sit it out.


37 posted on 06/25/2007 11:00:59 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron (Taxation WITH representation sucks, TOO!)
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To: c-b 1

Yep, that’s the best plan. I know the Senators have heard it because I watched McCain talk about it on the Senate floor as being unacceptable. I don’t know if they can be pushed into doing it.


38 posted on 06/25/2007 11:01:01 PM PDT by de meanr (No Amnesty)
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To: El Gran Salseron

This virtual fence will have the “don’t ask, don’t tell” rule applied to it. The border guards in their towers a good distance away from the fence will have to assume that a stray illegal or two will be walking about as fast as a turtle, or will haplessly walk up to their tower:

“Excuse me, Mr. Border Patrolman, but I’m tired from walking in the hot desert and need some help-Do you know the way to San Jose...?”

A real fence has to cost less than this venture with Boeing.


39 posted on 06/25/2007 11:07:19 PM PDT by tcw_laj4ALL
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To: de meanr

Yes they do know it, I stood face to face with kyl, and told him what needed to be done, he didn’t want to hear it.


40 posted on 06/25/2007 11:48:39 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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