Posted on 06/26/2007 7:10:24 AM PDT by Rock N Jones
CHINA can become so the FAVORED NATION to supply Hi-Tech to the ARAB WORLD....Think about it...
We give them missile guidance technology, airplane technology, Integrated Circuit technology, etc... and they'll turn around and try to crush us with it.
Exactly. More than likely, AMD showed them how to build technology that's several generations old. The latest improvemens and research, particularly with regards to multiple cores on a single processor, reducing heat output and energy consumption, advanced pipelining, and so forth, will remain under lock and key here in the States.
Who cares if the Chinese can clone AMD K6-2/3 or Athlon XP processors? We're light years ahead of them. Plus, who knows if AMD left a few bugs in the designs, similar to the infamous Pentium F00F arithmetic error.
You saw it...the future is in highly distributed computing.
you can also add to that the latest intel offering is close to what AMD had in the socket A processors and in the banyas pentium mobiles, short fat pipelines, instead of long skinny pipelines, sure they could go really fast, but that also meant a long recovery if the wrong instruction occurred...
Not quite. IBM would never sole-source back then, not wanting to be beholden to any one supplier. So they sourced both Intel and AMD to make the microprocessors for their new PC. Intel licensed the tech to AMD, and they both produced processors for a while. Then Intel tried to pull out of the agreement for the 386, and AMD sued Intel and won. But that left AMD without a clear right to use Intel's microcode anymore, so they clean-roomed a new processor.
Wonder where governments and government Universities are in this compared to American based corporations like Intel and AMD : They are way behind and in the dark ages, actually the cave men days copying what Intel did 10 years ago. Government/Socialism doesn’t work.
"If you were plowing a field, which would you rather use? Two strong oxen or 1024 chickens?" -- Seymour Cray
This plays in with:
"Anyone can build a fast CPU. The trick is to build a fast system." -- Seymour Cray
For certain types of jobs, clustering's main problem is the bandwidth between the nodes. Cray's own Opteron-based cluster product achieves its speed relative to other clusters in large part by enabling massive bandwidth between the nodes.
Yep. Intel has learned that AMD's way was the superior one, and they've used it to their advantage now.
I once watched a video of an ex-Intel engineer who helped create the Pentium Pro architecture, upon which all the future Pentium (II, III, 4) variants were based. He said he tried to tell Intel that the architecture would run out of steam in a few years and they really needed to develop another architecture, rather than just ramping clock speeds. They ignored him and tacked on little features here and there to drag out the inevitable. He left, and was subsequently proven correct.
Wonder where governments and government Universities are in this compared to American based corporations like Intel and AMD : They are way behind and in the dark ages, actually the cave men days copying what Intel did 10 years ago. Government/Socialism doesn’t work.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2087985,00.asp
Intel unveiled details of its next-generation Core 2 processors, code-named "Penryn," to the technology press on Thursday.Just as AMD catches up with Intel by moving to a 65 nm process technology, Intel is poised to push ahead to 45 nm. According to Intel Vice President Steve Smith, Intel's new 45 nm CPUs are slated to begin production sometime in the second half of 2007. The company is readying three 45 nm fabs by 2008: The D1D fab in Oregon and Fab 32 in Arizona are slated for 45 nm production before the end of the year, while a third, Fab 28 will come online in Israel sometime during the first half of 2008. The 45 nm fabs will be added to the existing 65 nm fab facilities, and all are capable of using 300mm wafers.
Intel demonstrated five working systems, borrowed from its own qualification labs, running 45 nm CPUs of different flavors, including a laptop. Another pair of systems represented typical desktop PCs, including a dual-core and a quad-core system. Two additional dual-socket, workstation-class systems were also on show, including a dual-socket system with two quad-core CPU
Wonder where governments and government Universities are in this compared to American based corporations like Intel and AMD : They are way behind and in the dark ages, actually the cave men days copying what Intel did 10 years ago. Government/Socialism doesn’t work.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2087985,00.asp
Intel unveiled details of its next-generation Core 2 processors, code-named "Penryn," to the technology press on Thursday.Just as AMD catches up with Intel by moving to a 65 nm process technology, Intel is poised to push ahead to 45 nm. According to Intel Vice President Steve Smith, Intel's new 45 nm CPUs are slated to begin production sometime in the second half of 2007. The company is readying three 45 nm fabs by 2008: The D1D fab in Oregon and Fab 32 in Arizona are slated for 45 nm production before the end of the year, while a third, Fab 28 will come online in Israel sometime during the first half of 2008. The 45 nm fabs will be added to the existing 65 nm fab facilities, and all are capable of using 300mm wafers.
Intel demonstrated five working systems, borrowed from its own qualification labs, running 45 nm CPUs of different flavors, including a laptop. Another pair of systems represented typical desktop PCs, including a dual-core and a quad-core system. Two additional dual-socket, workstation-class systems were also on show, including a dual-socket system with two quad-core CPU
AMD doesn't even have a test 45 nm CPU yet do they? Make that Intel is 2 to 3 years ahead of AMD.
No theft ... there was a licensing agreement thtrough the '286 (or the '386, as AMD sees it.).
We’ll see these Chinese models in embedded systems rather than desktops. That internet toaster doesn’t really need a quad-core cpu to get the job done, but being x86 allows it to run standard software more easily.
Check out this article. I assisted in installing this monster back in December. The bandwidth fabric between these nodes is all Infiniband. That's the reason it can achieve "52.8 TeraFLOPS of peak processing performance."
In terms of process size, Intel is ahead for a while because they can afford to be. They have many times more cash resources than AMD. But in terms of the actual efficiency and design if the two chips, AMD holds its own quite well.
AMD's design still achieves better performance per watt of TDP, and many data centers are deploying lots of Opterons just because they use less juice and produce less heat. Both of those are indicators of a more efficient design, even if the Opteron isn't the performance king for now.
FWIW, AMD is scheduled to be on 45 nm by the second half of next year. They aren't as far behind as you might think.
I want AMD to suceed. I like competition and I like AMD and most American technology corporations. I'm just calling them as I see them.
http://www.nyq.extremetech.com/article2/0,1557,2014650,00.asp
It's no surprise that Intel consistently outperforms AMD across the board in these benchmarks. The low-end Core 2 Duo E6300 even outpaces the pricier Athlon 64 X2 4600+. If we look at the scaling for the two different test suites, we see the slope of the curve for Intel processors get just a tiny bit steeper with the drop in L2 cache size, but it's not substantial. Note that AMD's overall scaling is somewhat less steep than Intel's as clock rate decreases. This could mean that the disparity will only increase if Intel is able to increase clock frequencies. It's worth pointing out that each increment in core clock frequency occurs in 266MHz jumps, while AMD's steps are 200MHz
I want AMD to succeed. I like competition and I like AMD and most American technology corporations. I'm just calling them as I see them.
http://www.nyq.extremetech.com/article2/0,1557,2014650,00.asp
It's no surprise that Intel consistently outperforms AMD across the board in these benchmarks. The low-end Core 2 Duo E6300 even outpaces the pricier Athlon 64 X2 4600+. If we look at the scaling for the two different test suites, we see the slope of the curve for Intel processors get just a tiny bit steeper with the drop in L2 cache size, but it's not substantial. Note that AMD's overall scaling is somewhat less steep than Intel's as clock rate decreases. This could mean that the disparity will only increase if Intel is able to increase clock frequencies. It's worth pointing out that each increment in core clock frequency occurs in 266MHz jumps, while AMD's steps are 200MHz
Intel is at least 1 year ahead of AMD in technology. Intel is the technology leader in the world . Then there is a drop off of at least 1 year and there is AMD. Then there is another drop off and there is IBM. Then another drop off and there is the rest of the world.
That must have been fun. Cray builds the high-speed interconnect mesh into the blades for some blistering speed, and it allows all of the blades to share memory. It costs, of course.
Yup--it took us a week to go from bare room to power on. Of course, it took a week to tear it down from the test and transport it to Aberdeen.
Cray builds the high-speed interconnect mesh into the blades for some blistering speed, and it allows all of the blades to share memory. It costs, of course.
Yes, it does. While our systems don't share memory between nodes, each node has more than enough--usually 4G - 8G. We build systems that are essentially beowulf clusters, so we use commodity (almost) hardware.
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