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Egypt wants King David (hotel)
Ynet ^ | 11:44 , 06.26.07 | Smadar Peri

Posted on 06/26/2007 3:07:15 PM PDT by Esther Ruth

Egypt wants King David

National Bank of Egypt sues Israel for $78 million; claims King David Hotel also belongs to them

Smadar Peri

The Jerusalem District Court is to determine whether the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, one of the most luxurious hotels in Israel and in the world, belongs in part to the Egyptian government.

The National Bank of Egypt (NBE), owned by the Egyptian government claims Israel's General Custodian expropriated the bank's share in the management and profits from the King David Hotel. The bank is now suing the General Custodian for $78 million in damages.

In 1929, Palestine Hotels Ltd purchased 4.5 acres of land on Julian's Way in Jerusalem (now the King David Street). Albert Mosseri, a wealthy banker from Egypt, who was at the time director of NBE paid close to half of the construction costs from his pocket. Another 46 percent was covered by other wealthy Jews from the Cairo community.

The bank claims to have invested the remainder, purchasing 693 shares of Palestine Hotels Ltd. between 1934 and 1943.

When the State of Israel was established, Palestine Hotels was renamed King David Hotel. Mosseri sold all his shares to Federmann Enterprises, who manages the Dan hotel chain, and in 1958, the bank's shares in the hotel were seized by the General Custodian.

NBE never received dividends

The Egyptian bank's attorney in Israel, Jasser Ashraf, told Yedioth Ahronoth: "The general Custodian sold the bank's stocks to private shareholders in 1993 after the bank was declared a 'missing' party." The bank claims never to have enjoyed the fruit of its stock; it never received profits or dividends.

The bank is requesting the court to cancel its absentee status and order $78 million in damages. "This sum is the initial investment converted to current values, with compound interest over 70 years, and the estimated profits over the period relative to the Egyptian bank's share of the hotel," Ashraf explained.

"We filed the claim several days ago and we are optimistic that the Israeli government will respond positively, as the Egyptian government did in the case of the Cecil Hotel in Alexandria."

Several days ago, Yedioth Ahronoth reported that an Egyptian court ordered the Cecil Hotel in Alexandria be returned to its Jewish owners, the Metzger family from the UK.

The Ministry of Finance has not yet answered to the claim. "Neither the Finance Ministry nor the General Custodian have received this claim. We are not familiar with the subject," the Ministry stated. "If and when such a claim will be received, we will study it and respond to the court."

Michal Goldberg contributed to the report


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1 posted on 06/26/2007 3:07:17 PM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: Esther Ruth; Alouette; Salem; SJackson; All

My brother stay at that hotel it really nice BTW how long King David Hotel been in business ROFL now they want it NOWWWWWW


2 posted on 06/26/2007 3:08:31 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: Esther Ruth

This is a new gambit to try and de-legitimize Israeli sovereignty. Nothing more.


3 posted on 06/26/2007 3:19:19 PM PDT by montag813
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To: SevenofNine

Bit of trivia, it has the only free WiFi to be found, and it works by the pool.


4 posted on 06/26/2007 3:22:15 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: SevenofNine; montag813
Several days ago, Yedioth Ahronoth reported that an Egyptian court ordered the Cecil Hotel in Alexandria be returned to its Jewish owners, the Metzger family from the UK.

I'd guess that this is the reason they have filed suit now.

5 posted on 06/26/2007 3:25:08 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: montag813

Why? if Israel nationalized someone else’s property, shouldn’t they pay for it?

It must be darn hard to buy title insurance in that area, I think.


6 posted on 06/26/2007 3:25:11 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: SevenofNine

They wanted to make sure it was a sound investment before claiming a share........


7 posted on 06/26/2007 3:26:33 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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8 posted on 06/26/2007 3:31:10 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: patton
Why? if Israel nationalized someone else’s property, shouldn’t they pay for it?...It must be darn hard to buy title insurance in that area, I think.

Israel didn't nationalize it, it was abandoned property. Every state in the US does the same thing, though it will happen in 5-7 years, just as they sell property for non payment of taxes. In neither case does it take anywhere near 45 years for something to happen.

The good news Israel has a fine legal system, these cases come up frequently, and this will get resolved.

9 posted on 06/26/2007 3:34:27 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Well that was 10 years ago my brother spent time there I bet they did lots of improvement ROFL


10 posted on 06/26/2007 3:34:38 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: SJackson

Let see Egyptian govt tick off that English company has bought into this hotel that reason not only English company they have MEANNN OLE JEWS in this hotel

AM I getting the story straight ROFL


11 posted on 06/26/2007 3:35:47 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: montag813

Note post 9, the gambit to de-legitimize Israel was not asserting their “rights” between 1948 and 2007. Because that would imply Israel existed. Too bad for Egypt.


12 posted on 06/26/2007 3:35:55 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: montag813

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1182409649764&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Egyptian Jews fight to reclaim seized property

Haviv Rettig, THE JERUSALEM POST Jun. 27, 2007

An organization representing Egyptian Jews is seeking to increase awareness of their culture and history, and to mark Egyptian Jewry’s own nakba, or catastrophe, their exile resulting from the Arab-Israeli wars.

In a conference in Haifa on Wednesday, the World Congress of the Jews from Egypt will also focus on recent initiatives to reclaim property taken from Egyptian Jews since 1948.

An estimated 100,000 Jews lived in Egypt in 1948. Today, estimates of the country’s Jewish population run the short distance from 20 to 100. Hundreds were killed and tens of thousands expelled in the aftermath of the Arab-Israeli wars of 1948-49, 1956 and 1967.

Often the expulsions were performed “politely. They just took your work permit away. [After that] my father, an export-import merchant, just decided we would leave,” said Prof. Ada Aharoni, head of the World Congress of the Jews from Egypt.

The congress lobbies for the restitution of property and recognition of the historic tragedy of Egyptian Jewry, and seeks to add their story to Jewish education curricula around the world.

Earlier this month, the Cecil Hotel, a four-star hotel in Alexandria that belonged to the Metzger family until it was nationalized in 1952, was returned to the family. Nationalized five years before the family was expelled, the 86-room hotel was resold to Egypt after its return, according to Agence-France Presse.

In its heyday the Cecil hosted such figures as Winston Churchill and Al Capone. In 1996, an Egyptian court ruled that the hotel should be returned to its owners, but the ruling wasn’t implemented for fear it would establish a precedent for the restitution of nationalized Jewish property.

The study of the dissolution of Egyptian Jewry - and of a culture and literature that were abruptly ended by the wars - could help heal the troubled relationship between Arabs and Jews, according to members of the World Congress of the Jews from Egypt.

“The Jews of Egypt were always a bridge between culture and created bridges,” said Aharoni. “Philo in the first century created a bridge between Hellenism and the Jews. Saadia Gaon translated the Bible into Arabic, and this Bible is still used in schools and libraries around the Arab world, and the Rambam, thought to be the greatest philosopher in Judaism, lived in Egypt. Now we’re asking many communities, from England to Australia, to add the culture and literature of the Jews of Egypt into Jewish schools and Sunday schools.”

Jewish children “only learn about the Holocaust, and [while] it is the greatest tragedy in Jewish history, it doesn’t have to wipe out all other tragedies,” Aharoni said.

This is especially true since, she insists, “Our tragedy is more important to ending the conflict in the Middle East. When we tell [Palestinians] we were in the Middle East before Islam, and the Arabs threw us out, not the Europeans, then we’ve already paid for the sulha [reconciliation], which is much more than peace. It’s the deep wiping away of the venom and hatred, and you have to pay for it. So we’ve paid.”

Furthermore, she says, “we reestablished ourselves, and didn’t make war on anyone. We want to show the Palestinians that you can remake your life. Misfortune in war falls on all sides, not just one side.”

Egyptian Jews - the largest number live in Israel, and communities of some 10,000 exist in Brazil, the US, France and Argentina - are putting together a history of Egyptian Jewry since 1948.

The World Congress of the Jews from Egypt also works to restore cultural treasures damaged or lost since the community’s forced departure. These include synagogues - “the synagogue where the Rambam prayed is full of water,” Aharoni said - and museums.

There are plans to establish a museum of Egyptian Jewry in Nesher, near Haifa, that will have a branch at the Library of Alexandria.

Why rehabilitate synagogues where there are no Jews?

“They are part of our national identity and culture. Many Jews would still like to visit where they prayed, where the Rambam prayed,” Aharoni said.

The property reclamation effort is well under way. Israel’s Justice Ministry has registered Egyptian Jews’ property claims and sent them to Egypt and the US Senate. The Senate has since recognized Egyptian Jews as refugees.

Of Alexandria’s Cecil Hotel, Aharoni says, “We hope it’s a beginning.”

The “Conference on Conserving the History, Culture and Literature of the Jews from Egypt” will be in Haifa University’s Hecht Hall. The one-day meeting will include a musical performance, readings from the works of Egyptian Jewish writers and poets, discussions on the community’s history, and a panel on journalism among Egyptian Jews.

JTA contributed to this report.


13 posted on 06/26/2007 3:36:54 PM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: Esther Ruth

Perhaps they should just blow it up again.


14 posted on 06/26/2007 3:38:29 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: SJackson

You lost me - let’s say I own a 10% share in a company, in another country.

For 50 years, the company is viable, pays all it’s taxes, does business, makes a profit, etc.

Then, someone decides that I, as a foreign owner, have forfeited my money, because I didn’t personally write the check.

This actually happened to RE Lee, and is why the Custis-Lee mansion is now Arlington Cemetary - the Uniun insisted he pay his taxes in person, or they would not be accepted.


15 posted on 06/26/2007 3:44:25 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: patton
Israel isn't the US, and the time frames stretch out for obvious reasons, both sides still hold to claims dating to the 1940s.

If you hold shares in a company in the US, and you are "absent" for a period of time which varies by state, but generally measured in mid single digit years, your shares will be turned over to the state by the company, brokerage firm, or bank involved. Abandonment generally means not cashing dividend checks or having statements returned as undeliverable. The state publicizes the information, you may have seen ads like this in your local newspaper. After an additional period of time, in most states your shares revert to the state treasury. Nowhere does the process take fifty plus years.

This issue goes on in Israel regarding properties forclosed for back taxes too, as in 40 or 50 years. Here in the US, you can't drag it out that long.

I guess my point was that we do the same thing here. In the case of Israel, frequently claims, valid or otherwise, weren't made as they confer legitimacy on the state. I'd guess that was the case here, though why they'd delay after the 1979 treaty I don't know.

16 posted on 06/26/2007 3:55:28 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: SJackson

I do not agree - If I find 100+ year-old stock certificates in GE, as an example, in Grandma’s attic, those certificates are still perfectly valid.

The dividend checks, I admit, might not be.

But the ownership of stock IS.


17 posted on 06/26/2007 4:00:02 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: Esther Ruth
When the State of Israel was established, Palestine Hotels was renamed King David Hotel.

Reality check.

Israel was established in 1948.

The King David Hotel was bombed in 1946.

ML/NJ

18 posted on 06/26/2007 4:02:16 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Esther Ruth

The terrorists who formed Israel were just bombing it.

The Bombing of the King David Hotel
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/Kingdavid.htm

Funny how the UN can grant sovereignty


19 posted on 06/26/2007 4:02:51 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: Esther Ruth

Losing wars has consequences on property rights.


20 posted on 06/26/2007 4:10:15 PM PDT by Ingtar (...right wing conservatives are growing tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps - JRob)
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