Posted on 06/27/2007 6:25:43 PM PDT by NorthOf45
Forces tag $3.8B to buy advanced jets Joint Strike Fighter studied to replace CF-18s in the next decade
David Pugliese The Ottawa Citizen June 27, 2007
Canada's military is setting aside almost $4 billion for the purchase of a fleet of futuristic fighter jets that will replace its CF-18s in the next decade.
The Canadian Forces is creating a new office in Ottawa in August to deal with its future fighter needs and plan how it will proceed with replacing the existing CF-18 jets.
The government has committed to investing in the U.S. Joint Strike Fighter and an air force study produced last year determined that the JSF best suited Canada's requirements at the most affordable price.
Canada has informed JSF builder Lockheed Martin that it plans to buy 80 of the planes with production to begin in 2014 and deliveries starting two years after that.
The Defence Department estimates that the cost of purchasing 80 JSFs will be about $3.8 billion (all figures in U.S. dollars).
Department officials, however, stress that the cost figure and the dates and numbers of aircraft needed are for planning purposes and may change. The government has not given final approval on any JSF purchase, although it will have to decide by 2012 on how it will replace the CF-18s, department officials say.
Australia has tentatively budgeted $9 billion to buy 100 JSFs, but could cut that in half if costs rise, according to Australian defence officials quoted last year in Aviation Week and Space Technology, a major U.S. industry publication. Canadian Defence Department documents obtained by the Citizen estimate the cost to replace the existing fleet of CF-18 fighter aircraft will be $10.5 billion.
Defence spokeswoman Tanya Barnes pointed out that the $3.8-billion figure for a JSF purchase does not include any additional costs, such as training, sustainment and follow-on development. "It's an estimate based only on the fly-away cost of the individual aircraft," she added.
Canada has already invested $150 million in the JSF program. Late last year, the government decided to take part in the next phase of the aircraft's development, agreeing to invest around $500 million over the next 45 years to pay for the specialized equipment for JSF production.
Mike Slack, the Defence Department's director of continental materiel co-operation, said the next five years will be used to determine the requirements for a future fighter jet, as well as dealing with issues such as whether manned aircraft or some other kind of technology can meet those needs.
Advances in unmanned fighter aircraft technology could also limit the number of JSF needed, some military observers have pointed out.
"One doesn't know where technology might end up in five years from now, for example, on unmanned tactical platforms, and how many of the missions can be performed using unmanned capabilities versus manned tactical capabilities," Mr. Slack acknowledged.
That type of dilemma is being faced by all nations interested in the JSF, he added.
The idea behind JSF is to produce in large quantities a high-tech, stealthy aircraft that, at a time of soaring costs for military equipment, is relatively affordable.
Government officials have promoted the benefits of the JSF program for Canada's aerospace industry. They say Canadian firms have been awarded around 150 JSF contracts so far. Canadian industrial opportunities are expected to total more than $5 billion over the life of the JSF program. That total could increase if other nations decide to buy the fighter.
"There is nothing like this anywhere," Mr. Slack said. "This is the largest defence co-operative program ever undertaken by Canada and, for that matter, all the other countries involved in it."
But some analysts have challenged the wisdom of purchasing the JSF. In his new book, Intent for a Nation, Michael Byers argues that not only are none of the future contracts guaranteed for Canadian industry, but it is not certain that the JSF is the best equipment for the country's needs.
"What is certain is that the Canadian taxpayer will, once again, end up supporting the U.S. defence industry," writes Mr. Byers, a University of British Columbia international law professor.
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That last line was one of the funniest things that I have read in a long time.
obvious case of “fighter envy”....heh
Are you speaking of the Avro Canada CF-100 or the Avro Canada CF-105?
Forgive the pun, but this ain’t gonna fly. The Canadian government will not spend $4 billion on anything, let alone to defend itself. These guys would be next in line behind the French if they had to go to war to defend O Canada...IMHO
Meadow Muffin
I wonder which of the configurations of the JSF the Canadian military is drooling over...
The Arrow was a fine aircraft that was killed by dim-witted politicians.
For starters ...
http://www.dnd.ca/site/Focus/first/index_e.asp
The C-17 and Chinook purchases are confirmed.
Sorry GI Jane but you should read up on our history before painting us with a broad brush. Canadians have a rich martial tradition. it may not be obvious but we are not all panzy assed flamers up here. Show us some respct will you.
The two aircraft are rather different, but I would not be surprised if the Russkies did a bit stealing with regard to technical data. Another aircraft that was rather spiffy was Britain’s TSR-1.
Sorry. TSR-2 instead of TSR-1.
I have been told that the 105's two biggest breakthroughs were engine intakes and wing shape. The Foxbat intakes are supposed to be within mm of the 105's in shape and size. Since as far as I can tell there are no surviving 105's I haven't been able to verify that. Also, from Wiki:
"Within two months, all aircraft, engines, production tooling and technical data were ordered scrapped. This was partly in response to Royal Canadian Mounted Police fears that a Soviet "mole" had infiltrated Avro, later confirmed to some degree in the Mitrokhin archives. Officially, the reason given for the destruction order from Cabinet and the Chiefs of Staff was to destroy classified and "secret" materials utilized in the Arrow/Iroquois programs.
Yes, Frank Whittle designed the turbojet engine while he was in the Royal Aircraft Establishment. The Brits also designed the first jet-powered flying boat (fighter design that never went into production).
I believe it was during the John Deifenbaker Prime Ministerial era.
I remember watching a documentary on the Arrow, and it apparently was, indeed, a fine aircraft. I wished I had time, tonight, to research the Arrow.
The CF-105 was one of Canada’s gifts to aerospace. It was an advanced aircraft and there were some politicians who balked at the cost (they forgot that advanced R&D in aerospace is not cheap). When you have time, do some reading on the Arrow; it is well worth the effort.
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