Forces (Canadian Armed Forces) Tag $3.8B to Buy Advanced Jets (F-35)

The Ottawa Citizen ^ | June 27, 2007 | David Pugliese

[NorthOf45]

Nice little conclusion. However, given that it is the Ottawa Citizen, it's no surprise.

[NorthOf45]

Ping

[Army Air Corps]

That last line was one of the funniest things that I have read in a long time.

[Uriah_lost]

obvious case of “fighter envy”....heh

[mad_as_he$$]

A long time ago the Kanucks built a very good fighter of their own. Problem was every inch of the design was stolen by Soviet moles. So much for open immigration.

[Army Air Corps]

Are you speaking of the Avro Canada CF-100 or the Avro Canada CF-105?

[rwgal]

Forgive the pun, but this ain’t gonna fly. The Canadian government will not spend $4 billion on anything, let alone to defend itself. These guys would be next in line behind the French if they had to go to war to defend O Canada...IMHO

Meadow Muffin

[coconutt2000]

I wonder which of the configurations of the JSF the Canadian military is drooling over...

[garjog]

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/jsf.htm

[mad_as_he$$]

105 Aero she was years ahead of her time.

[Army Air Corps]

The Arrow was a fine aircraft that was killed by dim-witted politicians.

[NorthOf45]

For starters ...

http://www.dnd.ca/site/Focus/first/index_e.asp

The C-17 and Chinook purchases are confirmed.

[mad_as_he$$]

Aren’t most politicians dimwits? There was money issues but I absolutely believe the Soviets stole much of the design for the Foxbat. The similarities between the two are just to close.

[bubman]

Sorry GI Jane but you should read up on our history before painting us with a broad brush. Canadians have a rich martial tradition. it may not be obvious but we are not all panzy assed flamers up here. Show us some respct will you.

[Army Air Corps]

The two aircraft are rather different, but I would not be surprised if the Russkies did a bit stealing with regard to technical data. Another aircraft that was rather spiffy was Britain’s TSR-1.

[Army Air Corps]

Sorry. TSR-2 instead of TSR-1.

[mad_as_he$$]

Brits have their own string of breakthroughs in aggravate. Many have no clue that they led in race for a viable jet engine and advanced wing designs with regularity.

I have been told that the 105's two biggest breakthroughs were engine intakes and wing shape. The Foxbat intakes are supposed to be within mm of the 105's in shape and size. Since as far as I can tell there are no surviving 105's I haven't been able to verify that. Also, from Wiki:

"Within two months, all aircraft, engines, production tooling and technical data were ordered scrapped. This was partly in response to Royal Canadian Mounted Police fears that a Soviet "mole" had infiltrated Avro, later confirmed to some degree in the Mitrokhin archives. Officially, the reason given for the destruction order from Cabinet and the Chiefs of Staff was to destroy classified and "secret" materials utilized in the Arrow/Iroquois programs.

[Army Air Corps]

Yes, Frank Whittle designed the turbojet engine while he was in the Royal Aircraft Establishment. The Brits also designed the first jet-powered flying boat (fighter design that never went into production).

[mirado]

"The Arrow was a fine aircraft that was killed by dim-witted politicians."

I believe it was during the John Deifenbaker  Prime Ministerial era. 

I remember watching a documentary on the Arrow, and it apparently was, indeed, a fine aircraft. I wished I had time, tonight, to research the Arrow.

[Army Air Corps]

The CF-105 was one of Canada’s gifts to aerospace. It was an advanced aircraft and there were some politicians who balked at the cost (they forgot that advanced R&D in aerospace is not cheap). When you have time, do some reading on the Arrow; it is well worth the effort.