Their destruction in 1959 ...
Posted on 06/27/2007 6:25:43 PM PDT by NorthOf45
Yeah, well, bubman.......let’s talk about that.
I’ve been to Canada many times, and I’ve seen how socialist Canada has become firsthand. I’ve had many dinner conversations with your countrymen and see how they wet their pants over our country’s Second Amendment (”what do you need guns for, anyway???”). I’ve seen your country’s condescending attitude toward America firsthand.
I have seen your entire national defense budget barely approach the budget of just one of our navy fleets.
Spare me your chest-thumping. Canada has the potential of being one hell of an ally.....yet has fallen prey to ultra-liberalism long enough to have become emasculated. It’s pathetic.
Oh....and don’t even try to tell me I’m wrong. I have a military background and am a student of military history. I hope to see a turn-around in Canada.....but I’m not holding my breath.
Two other highlights of the 105 were fly-by-wire technology and an internal weapons carriage.
We’ve had a rough go of it at the hands of the libs. However, we’re seeing a turnaround now IMO. It will take a while to repair the damage. I just hope we can keep the Conservatives in power. Otherwise, web really are screwed.
That is one of the saddest sights - the destruction of all the Arrows. Too bad that not one was saved as part of Canadian aviation heritage. Today, only the cockpit, nose gear, and outer wing panels of one aircraft survive. Just shameful.
Socialism has emasculated the forces up here and it is with regret that I say so. Americans unfortunately are down the same path (perhaps a Clinton administration will accelarate you down the same path.)
The US is unique in its ability to finance the military to the tune of 5% of what is a 12 Trillion dollar economy. Even so there are limits to american capability. There are gov't representatives in your country that will sell your country out. Kucinich, Boxer, Pelosi, Clinton.... These people are not canadians. They are IMHO a fifth column along with an activist media that has soiled the concept of a free press and taken sides in the great cultural debates in your nation. Read the NYTimes?, Washington Post? CNN? ABC? CBS?...
Canadians have a warped sense of America viewed through a liberal prism that is amplified in your media and echoed in ours. Perception is reality. Repeat a lie often enough you become convinced it is the gospel. Marxism 101.
Canadians ARE condescending towards americans (but so are 150M americans who tilt to the left in your country) I witnessed americans up here castigate and make fun of GWB only to curry favor with the locals. I knew americans backpacking in europe carrying canadian flags because they were embarassed in being americans. The biggest america bashers are not canadians but your own countrymen.
Canadians proudly serve along with US servicement in Afghanistan, Europe and other parts of the world. Let's not reduce this discussion to a mudfest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Canada_during_the_Second_World_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces_casualties_in_Afghanistan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1857485/posts
She was a beautiful machine.
FBW in the 50’s was a significant feat.
You have not been paying attention.
Would you like me to start posting pictures of the Canadian Forces personnel KIA in Afghanistan?
FYI:
Canada was the first nation after the US to deploy troops to Afghanistan. Deployment started in 2001 immediately following 9/11 when we deployed JTF2 (Canada's equivalent of SAS) which your air force used to good advantage to light up taliban targets, followed by battle groups in January 2002. Canada has maintained a rotation of a battle group every six months ever since. Currently a Royal Canadian Regiment battle group is deployed to Kandahar which is the hot theatre in Afghanistan. It in August a battle group of the Royal 22e Regiment will rotate in to replace the RCR's. The Royal 22e (the Vandoos) is a francophone regiment. Other units of the Vandoos are currently in Kandahar in a force protection capacity.
Re equipment purchase:
Others have posted info about purchase of four Globemasters and sixteen Herculese. The first Globemaster is due for delivery in August.
We also have a contract out for 17 Chinooks. Canada wants to expedite delivery of these helicopters and the US is supporting the request but other nations with orders in the queue won't yield any of their spaces in the queue.
There is also a contract out with Sikorsky for 28 new CH-148 Cyclone helicopters to replace the embarked Sea Kings on our frigates and destroyers and other naval tasks. The contract also calls for Sikorsky to modify the chopper pads on the frigates.
There are also contracts out for heavy armored vehicles and 100 of the newer mark Leopard tanks plus an urgent lease of 22 of the newer mark to replace the non-air-conditioned Leopards currently deployed in Kandahar.
Do let me know if you want to see the pictures.
I have total respect for the armed forces of Canada, by the way. THEY have stepped up against all odds. My comments above have nothing to do with those who wear uniforms of your country.
Let’s hope that you are right and that Conservatives up there can turn things around. Going to take a lot to do so.
What rock have you been hiding under for the last 2 years? Our new CONSERVATIVE prime minister has ALREADY spent a whole bunch of cash on new military equipment, for example C-17s. We have to replace what the Libs have gutted from our forces over the last 30 years.
That last line was one of the funniest things that I have read in a long time.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
People who know Canadian aviation history are still smarting over the death of Canadas military strike aviation industry, as marked by the death of the Avro Arrow.
[http://www.avroarrow.org/]
Should Canada have its own home designed fighters? Yup! But then all of those federal bilingual social prograslams would have to disappear to pay for it, and that would ruffle too many francophone feathers. If SAAB can do it for Sweden, DeHaviland could do it for Canada.
The F-35 is an amazing aircraft,
[http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f35/]
but unlikely suited for the harsh cold of the Canadian North, or for remote posting on ice made airstrips, as the Swedes do with their Viggen and Gripen fighters, which can land and take off fully loaded on an 800 meter strip.
[http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/text/37viggen.htm]
Here is a Saab Grippen hauling itself down on landing:
These Saab fighters make a lot of functional sense for cold weather work and remote air strip work in Canada,but perhaps not in the air superiority sense because the CAF have no plans to remotely station its air fighter forces in Northern Canada, but centralize their deployment in Southern Canada ( a tactical oopstions mistake which makes sense only for foreign deployment and keeping the Southern home 40 acres defended, leaving the North in a bit of a time lag, without CAF refuling tankers to make the difference.)
Canada is limiting its strategic options to the Southern part of Canada and to foreign deployment, with this purchase.That is a mistake which will haunt Canada should the Russians or Chinese decide to come over the top, in support of the Iranians, with whom the mother of all wars will soon loom.
The strategic importance of a far North air superiority in Canada should not be underestimated. Can the f-35 be modified to operate in minus 60 degree weather? It will have to, because the Russians are on the move:
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[http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2113289,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12]
Kremlin lays claim to huge chunk of oil-rich North Pole
Map: The Lomonosov ridge
Luke Harding in Moscow
Thursday June 28, 2007
The Guardian
Under international law, no country owns the North Pole.
It is already the world's biggest country, spanning 11 time zones and stretching from Europe to the far east. But yesterday Russia signalled its intention to get even bigger by announcing an audacious plan to annex a vast 460,000 square mile chunk of the frozen and ice-encrusted Arctic.
According to Russian scientists, there is new evidence backing Russia's claim that its northern Arctic region is directly linked to the North Pole via an underwater shelf.
Under international law, no country owns the North Pole. Instead, the five surrounding Arctic states, Russia, the US, Canada, Norway and Denmark (via Greenland), are limited to a 200-mile economic zone around their coasts. On Monday, however, a group of Russian geologists returned from a six-week voyage on a nuclear icebreaker. They had travelled to the Lomonosov ridge, an underwater shelf in Russia's remote and inhospitable eastern Arctic Ocean.
According to Russia's media, the geologists returned with the "sensational news" that the Lomonosov ridge was linked to Russian Federation territory, boosting Russia's claim over the oil-and-gas rich triangle. The territory contained 10bn tonnes of gas and oil deposits, the scientists said.
Russia's Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper celebrated the discovery by printing a large map of the North Pole. It showed the new "addition" to Russia - the size of France, Germany and Italy combined - under a white, blue and red Russian flag.
Yesterday, however, some scientists doubted whether Russia's latest Arctic grab stood up to scrutiny.
To extend a zone, a state has to prove that the structure of the continental shelf is similar to the geological structure within its territory. Under the current UN convention on the laws of the sea, no country's shelf extends to the North Pole. Instead, the International Seabed Authority administers the area around the pole as an international area.
"Frankly I think it's a little bit strange," Sergey Priamikov, the international co-operation director of Russia's Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute in St Petersburg, told the Guardian. "Canada could make exactly the same claim. The Canadians could say that the Lomonosov ridge is part of the Canadian shelf, which means Russia should in fact belong to Canada, together with the whole of Eurasia."
Mr Priamikov said the area was one of breathtaking natural beauty. It was much drier, colder and quieter than the western Arctic, he added. "I've been there many times. It's an oasis for marine life," he said. Asked whether it would be feasible to drill for oil, he said: "Yes".
The shelf was 200 metres deep and oil and gas would be easy to extract, especially with ice melting because of global warming, he said.
Russia has the world's largest gas reserves. It is the second largest exporter of oil after Saudi Arabia. The Kremlin is keen to secure Russia's long-term hegemony over global energy markets, and to find new sources of fuel.
Russia first made a submission in 2001 to the UN commission on the limits of the continental shelf, seeking to push Russia's maritime borders beyond the existing 200-mile zone. It was rejected.
But the latest scientific findings are likely to prompt Russia to lodge another confident bid - and will alarm the US, which is mired in a 13-year debate over ratification of a UN treaty governing international maritime rights.
The Law of the Sea Treaty is the world's primary means of settling disputes over exploitation rights and navigational routes in international waters. Russia and 152 other countries have ratified it.
But the US has refused, arguing it gives too much power to the UN. If the US does not ratify it, Russia's bid for the Arctic's energy wealth will go unchallenged, proponents believe.
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Apart from the wings, fuselage, intakes, fins, undercarriage, and weapon location it's hard to tell them apart
I will grant the possiblity the russkis copied the canopy profile.
Actually if anybody stole the CF-105 Arrow design it was probably the boys at North American Aviation for the F-108 Rapier
Useful, but not exactly sfiffy.
Fairey TSR-1 Swordfish 
(Torpedo Strike/Reconnaissance)
Yes I know what you really meant
Useful, but not exactly spiffy.
Fairey TSR-1 Swordfish (Torpedo Strike/Reconnaissance)
Yes I know what you really meant
I appreciate the sacrifice that the Canadian servicemen have made who are there.
Looking forward to seeing Canada start making an effort to rebuild the military that THEY have torn apart....in the past
Meadow Muffin
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