Cross hangers? I'd like you to explain that one please. Also, your attempt to contrast our relative desire for up or down votes in the immigration and judge confirmation situations mixes apples and oranges. In the case of the immigration bill, it is perfectly reasonable to be in favor of voting against cloture (and thus, to continue a filibuster), as this is a normal part of the legislative process. On the other hand, the DemonicRats' use of the filibuster to prevent judicial appointees from ever seeing an up or down vote was a different and nearly unprecedented use of the filibuster, and thus we rightly complained about it.
As for "hyperventilating", I believe you greatly underestimate the danger the Country faces if the amnesty advocates ever succeed. The United States is what it is because of its founding principles, principles which are alien to most illegal Mexican and Central American invaders, and principles which people with so little education and regard for our laws and sovereignty would happily flush down the toilet in exchange for a few more handouts from the panderers in the White House and Congress. If we EVER legalize tens of millions of these people, giving them the right to vote, it is GAME OVER for the United States as we know it. The DemonicRats know this, which is why they are pushing so hard on it (the RINO's are doing it for other reasons). The Dem's are desperately trying to create a new impoverished majority which they can make dependant on their largesse. That's their stock-in-trade. If they are successful, they will be able to implement every insane policy you can possibly imagine. That is why we are so adamant about holding the line on this issue. I believe illegal immigration, followed closely by its enablers, diversity and multiculturalism, is the number one threat to our Nation, even greater than the threat posed by terrorism.
We're in complete agreement regarding the above. Complete. I was glad to see this bill defeated in the process (as I've said for over a week it would be!).
Where I have a problem is with the tremendous disrespect and utterly nutcase-ness of a segment of our base regarding having a difference of opinion on this matter with our POUTS GWB.
To have a thriving, improving Limited Republic our party has to be big enough to allow for disagreement on issues (not having a bunch of cookie-cutter cutouts in suits). I didn't agree with the WH position on this issue (just as many didn't agree with R. Reagan's back in 86)....But that is completely different then saying the POTUS GWB is a failure, a traitor, an idiot, needs to be impeached, blah, blah, blah.....cry the sky is falling BS.
The system worked. This bill was defeated within the process. Hyperventilating over a single cloture vote like so many did earlier this week was silly.
Seeing that some of our base is made up of the same ilk of the DEM left (only with better politics 90% of the time) is sad to witness.