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To: kipita
I appreciate your insightful thoughts. I hadn't consciously thought about some of the patterns you mentioned (the shifting away from engeering/science/medical to mba/lawyer), though, I did see that occurring, and the same can be said for the shift of those more difficult fields of study from US to India/Nigera, etc.....though, I also observed that happening as well.

What, precisely, do you point to as the "creation" of religious conservatism? Perhaps you don't recall, but, in the 70's, there was a wave of religious interest which swept over the youth...this is, imho, possibly because of a reaction against the 60's being "free from religion" and "free love" etc. It was during the 70's that pop religious music began....by Christians, many having their start first with Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa (which I attended at the time), a church started by Pastor Chuck Smith (a wonderful man, btw). I'm only asking because I know these religious singers/groups, such as Keith Green, 2nd Chapter of Acts, Daniel Amos, etc., were in no way political. I think this "Jesus movement" (as I believe it was then called), swept across the country. Of course, it is likely true that conservative politicos used it for their own advantage at the time.....

Out of curiosity, you said in the 1980's that the liberal elitists "created a “slavery/welfare/socialist” illusion in the minds of black America to keep it loyal to Democrat." I cannot personally speak to this because I am not an elitist nor black. I proffer my perceptions (looking in hindsight). Had not the black community, in general, voted Democrat well before the 1980's? Is it not true that the black community, itself, ridiculed its "members" if same didn't stay within the "in general" category? At the moment, I'm thinking of people like Justice Thomas, though there are many other examples. I remember, at the time, reading & hearing some of the worst attacks came from the black community. I find that behavior reprehensible. Instead of being proud of his accomplishments and achievements, he was castigated for thinking independently and accused of "working on the plantation for the man," etc. As I stated earlier, that is just one example. There were likely many others, publicized and not, that replicated that kind of "keeping in line" attitude. Don't you think that what we "witnessed" happening to Justice Thomas is what had been happening all along, for many, many years by that time? (It is my personal opinion it had been, but that is only based, as I said, on personal impressions/hindsight, which, of course, may well be incorrect.) Now...as was the case with the religious movement, I think you may well have another point here.....the liberal elite took hold of the feelings/beliefs/opinions of the black community and used that to their advantage, as well.

The bottom line is elite Americans became, like their 18th Century Europeans ancestors, powerful, lazy, arrogant and indifferent to the people.

I agree with the above; however, you have provoked me to speculate and wonder even more so than previously about the elitist plans.....imo, the elitists, liberal or conservative, truly are no different. They have a similar agenda and goals: amass wealth and power and lord over the serfs, religious, minorities, the poor, and everyone in between. What better way to enhance their wealth and power than to get in bed with corporate greedholders, and cause divisions among "the people" so that their plans are more easily carried out. Rockefeller spoke of this many many years ago. (If you're interested, I'll try to find the quote to which I refer...it won't be too hard, will just a bit of time.) The NAU is the goal they've been working toward....and I knew it had to be well-crafted, but your commentary makes it even more clear to me just how well-crafted and designed it likely is.... Thank you again for your thoughts.

119 posted on 06/29/2007 9:41:08 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
What, precisely, do you point to as the "creation" of religious conservatism? Perhaps you don't recall, but, in the 70's, there was a wave of religious interest which swept over the youth...this is, imho, possibly because of a reaction against the 60's being "free from religion" and "free love" etc. It was during the 70's that pop religious music began....by Christians, many having their start first with Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa (which I attended at the time), a church started by Pastor Chuck Smith (a wonderful man, btw). I'm only asking because I know these religious singers/groups, such as Keith Green, 2nd Chapter of Acts, Daniel Amos, etc., were in no way political. I think this "Jesus movement" (as I believe it was then called), swept across the country.

I tend to agree with what you have said. I think "European enlightenment" was to European Christianity as "free love and music" was to American Christianity, especially in California (I'm biased towards the Christian Science Monitor type folks). In short, a strong short-term move to "the 60s" which added to a solid base to yield a better foundation. The intellectual, rhythmatic, well-informed, natural peace-loving Christian.

Of course, it is likely true that conservative politicos used it for their own advantage at the time.....

I think this was the case in the southern US.

Had not the black community, in general, voted Democrat well before the 1980's? Is it not true that the black community, itself, ridiculed its "members" if same didn't stay within the "in general" category?

Having had the experience of being born and raised upper poor and black in New Orleans and after spending 11 years in California and 4 years in Europe, I'd have to say I'm a "cultural racist", if there is such a belief. Based on values which allow the human being to reach its full potential (mind, body, soul), I'd score America/Europe a 9 and Africa a 1. However, Africans can become 10s in society with American/European values. In my analysis, this is due to American/European incorporation of African inspired values (the 60s) onto an existing Christian base. Africans (in Africa) remain "pure Africans" just as middle Easterners (in the middle East) remain middle Easterners.

While black Americans may have always voted for the Democrats, to go from Thurgood Marshall to MLK to Jesse Jackson to Al Sharpton as "black leaders" in only 50 years represents a trend from American/European values to African values. So the promoted black American values by the liberals is African values.

120 posted on 06/29/2007 1:38:20 PM PDT by kipita (Conservatives: Freedom and Responsibility------Liberals: Freedom from Responsibility)
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