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Jesse Ramirez, Considered a “Vegetable” Like Terri Schiavo, Now on His Way to Recovery
LifeSiteNews ^ | 6/28/07 | Peter J. Smith

Posted on 06/28/2007 3:58:52 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Jonathon Spectre

I’ve see videos of Terri Schiavo, and she was not in a coma.

I saw one of her laughing at her dad’s joke.

MSM has so misled the public.


81 posted on 06/29/2007 7:19:16 AM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there. http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: wagglebee

A great story.


82 posted on 06/29/2007 7:20:17 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: wagglebee

I guess all these professionals conveniently weren’t available in 2000, since the court decision makes no mention of testimony disputing the images of the CAT scan.


83 posted on 06/29/2007 7:21:47 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: Sun; Jonathon Spectre

I have always found it odd that FReepers who understand how much blatantly agenda-driven the media is are so willing to accept their erroneous accounts of Terri’s condition.


84 posted on 06/29/2007 7:39:12 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: LanPB01

Perhaps you should read this:

http://www.judgegeorgegreer.com/

And let me ask you something, how is it that a woman who was so brain damaged, as you claim, able to experience the “euphoria” that Michael Schiavo’s lawyer claimed?


85 posted on 06/29/2007 7:41:33 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Oh yeah! That would do it. But I think the FRiberals hated you even before that.


86 posted on 06/29/2007 1:41:48 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee
You are so right. After all it's absurd to believe that being deprived of court-ordered medical care for over a decade, followed by nearly two weeks without nutrition or hydration could possibly affect brain matter./sarcasm off

Not a troll, but, what court ordered care was she deprived of that would have left her brain in the condition it was found at the autopsy? 2 weeks of no hydration/nutrition wouldn't have disolved it to that point. Just asking.
87 posted on 06/29/2007 1:48:35 PM PDT by BritExPatInFla
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To: BritExPatInFla

Read some of the stuff here:
http://www.judgegeorgegreer.com/

Terri was awarded money for her rehabilitation, it was NEVER used for that. The moment he got the check, her estranged husband moved her into the hospice and started court proceedings to kill her.


88 posted on 06/29/2007 2:02:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BykrBayb
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.
-- Matthew 5:10-12

89 posted on 06/29/2007 2:04:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Satan speaks ill of all that is good. Just look at the nasty things he’s saying about Terri on this thread. I don’t understand why anyone would allow Satan to speak through them.


90 posted on 06/29/2007 2:07:34 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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To: BritExPatInFla

Here is more on Terri’s autopsy, it is VERY DIFFERENT from what was reported in the mainstream media:

http://terrisfight.org/mainlinks.php?tablesingle=main_terri_story&id=2


91 posted on 06/29/2007 2:07:47 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

There you go supplying actual documents again. How are the disruptors supposed to convince lurkers of their made-up diagnoses (like “dissolved brain”) when you supply the actual autopsy report?


92 posted on 06/29/2007 2:21:02 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

You mean like the years Terri spent in a coma?


93 posted on 06/29/2007 2:35:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
I believe that was years upon years in a coma. And there was no testimony on Terri's behalf. (Unless you read the actual transcript.)
94 posted on 06/29/2007 2:41:24 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

It’s much easier for some to accept what they’re told than it is to question it’s validity. And then when the unjustifiable actions become government policy, they can just claim they were following orders.

I wonder if they realize that this excuse didn’t seem to work at the Nuremberg Trials.


95 posted on 06/29/2007 2:51:30 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
No, that excuse didn't work out very well for them at all.

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96 posted on 06/29/2007 3:01:57 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

“I wonder how the culture of death FRiberals will try to explain this away.”

They don’t care.


97 posted on 06/29/2007 3:07:53 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (You can lead a liberal to talk radio, but you can't make him think.)
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To: wagglebee

So many lessons here.

It certainly seems one’s fate (life or death) depends on which state a person is in (say, for instance, Arizona vs. Florida).

“She said she was in fear of her life. Ten days later, she’s going to say whether he lives or dies? Frankly, it’s too much to ask of the wife.”

I don’t see a lot of room between this situation and the Schiavo case.


98 posted on 06/29/2007 3:10:38 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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This is another excellent reminder to wear your car’s seat belt.


99 posted on 06/29/2007 3:11:23 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: GretchenM
It certainly seems one’s fate (life or death) depends on which state a person is in (say, for instance, Arizona vs. Florida).

Yes, it makes a big difference in your odds of survival. You might be surprised to know that your odds are actually better in Florida than in Arizona. Arizona starves and dehydrates a higher percentage of their disabled population than Florida does.

In 1999, 10.4% of the “severely” cognitively impaired residents of the United States were starved and dehydrated to death.

In 2000, 11.0% of the “severely” cognitively impaired residents of the United States were starved and dehydrated to death.

In 2001, 11.4% of the “severely” cognitively impaired residents of the United States were starved and dehydrated to death.

I haven't found data yet for other years, but I think it's a fair guess that the killings continue to climb.

This doesn't represent a percentage of patients who died (which would be bad enough). It doesn't mean that 11.4% of the patients who died were starved and dehydrated. It means 11.4% of all the people living in the U.S.A. with “severe” cognitive impairments were killed this way. And it doesn't include the ones who were killed using other methods, such as denial of antibiotics for simple infections, cessation of kidney dialysis, removal of breathing assistance, etc. There are some very barbaric methods being used.

The standard used for determining “severe” cognitive impairment for the purpose of this study is a score of 5 or less on the Mini Mental State Examination (MMSE). Patients in a coma or PVS cannot possibly score 1, much less 5. You've probably seen people in the grocery store with a score of 5 or less. So these killings include a wide range of brain damaged people. I wonder how many thousands of people are living with a score of 5 or less. And for every 1,000 people living with a score of 5 or less in the year 2001, 114 of them were starved and dehydrated to death that year.

All I have before me are the percentages. I'd like to see the corresponding numbers. Or would I?

Following is the breakdown by state for 2001. Notice that Rhode Island tops the list, with just over a third of that population exterminated this way. That might have something to do with the fact that RI has appointed the pro-euthanasia group Choice in Dying the official State agency in charge of informing the public about “end-of-life choices.” They supply forms for “living wills” and “assist” the public in filling out those forms. This is what happens when you put the fox in charge of the henhouse.

Believe it or not, Florida and Texas are both below the national average. Every state is on the list. Georgia is at the bottom of the list, exterminating only 1.30% this way. But like I said, this doesn't include people who were exterminated using other methods.

RI - 33.80%
OR - 32.50%
MI - 28.30%
MT - 28.00%
WI - 27.20%
CA - 23.40%
UT - 23.40%
AZ - 20.90%
PA - 17.40%
MN - 17.20%
AK - 17.10%
CT - 15.40%
WY - 14.90%
MD - 14.60%
NM - 14.20%
SD - 14.10%
WA - 13.20%
OH - 12.90%
ID - 12.30%
IA - 12.10%
MO - 11.90%
National Average - 11.4%
VT - 11.20%
HI - 11.10%
DE - 10.80%
ND - 10.80%
MA - 9.90%
IN - 9.70%
ME - 9.20%
NH - 8.70%
NY - 8.50%
NE - 7.70%
CO - 7.20%
AL - 7.10%
TX - 7.10%
IL - 6.70%
WV - 6.70%
KY - 6.60%
SC - 6.50%
TN - 6.30%
FL - 6.20%
NV - 6.20%
AR - 5.70%
NC - 5.20%
KS - 4.80%
NJ - 4.80%
OK - 4.10%
LA - 3.70%
VA - 3.60%
DC - 3.10%
MS - 3.00%
GA - 1.30%

Facts On Dying ~ This study was funded by The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, who adamantly opposes the rights of vulnerable people to continue living. So if any trolls show up, complaining that the data is skewed in favor of life, check the facts and get back to me.

100 posted on 06/29/2007 3:24:23 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ Þ)
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