Posted on 06/29/2007 6:03:29 AM PDT by Patriot28
Some are calling a former U.S. Marine a hero for shooting two men — killing one — during the botched robbery of a sandwich shop in Plantation. But the men's friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.
John Lovell had just finished dinner at about 11: 15 p.m. Wednesday when, Plantation police say, two men armed with guns rushed inside a Subway shop and demanded cash. After robbing the store, the men turned to Lovell. They wanted his money, police said
But like his attackers, Lovell was armed.
The retired military man opened fire, shooting dead Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale, and critically injuring Fredrick Gadson, 21, of Fort Lauderdale.
Lovell, 71, of Plantation, has a valid concealed weapons permit and is not expected to be charged in the shooting, said police spokesman Detective Robert Rettig. Gadson, however, faces multiple felony charges that could include murder, he said. Under Florida law, anyone who commits a felony such as armed robbery resulting in a death can be held accountable for the capital offense.
(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...
Thank you Jeb Bush and the Florida House and Senate for the Stand You Ground law.
Be careful - with the present fool as Gov., he will want ex-cons to have the carry a concealed weapon - after all, they will paid their debt to society.
Darn right he’s not going to get charged with anything. Heck, he should be given an award.
Because he had a valid permit and they were committing armed robbery. I don't see how this is a hard question to answer. I guess you have to work for a Florida newspaper or something.
Some people would love to take away your right to defend yourself.
That was the one sentence that just leaped out of that article at me...I was trying to figure out the best response to that, but...you did it for me!
Do you think every ex-con should not be allowed to own a weapon?
What if he was busted for a non-violent crime?
The only thing worse than 21 year olds robbing people is when they do it to senior citizens who generally can’t defend themselves. With a little bit of luck the other perp will die too.
Unreal. I read the whole bloody article and could nit believe the three dopes who co-authored it gave Gadson’s family any “ink”.
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But Gadson’s grandmother, Rosa Jones, said: “He ain’t no hero. He is a murderer and God will serve justice.”
No Mrs. Jones, your grandson was an armed thug holding up a sandwich shop and crossed paths with someone who would not be intimidated or made a victim. Period. You don’t like that, tough. Mr. Lovell wasn’t and isn’t guilty of anything.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Only one “former Marine” and he’s in Washington DC.
This Florida guy should get together with the Michigan guy who punched out the pick pocket... if his wife allows him to.
...Lovell, a retired Pan-Am and Delta Airline pilot, (blah blah) ... police had arrested him for having a loaded .9 mm and three extra clips behind the driver's seat
Argh!!!!!!... "Clips".
As soon as a I read that I knew and yep, I was right .... By Akilah Johnson, etc etc.
I swear, it must be a Reporter Union rule. Any gun story gets written by a ditz 'reporterette' who doesn't know which end of a gun the bullet comes out of.
And naturally they had the obligatory Gramma canard of the dead perp - He was a good boy, was turning his life around, had a job interview 'tomorrow' and didn't even own a gun -- blah, blah, blah, BULL!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
People like Gadson’s grandmother are a dime a dozen around these parts.
There is an entire permanent sub-class in South Florida which does nothing but complain about how white people keep them down, how white people purposefully prevent them from taking advantage of any opportunity, how white people prevent any type of development from entering their neighborhoods, ad nauseum.
Another report I read said that the punks had ordered the shooter into some kind of closet or back room just before he drew his weapon.Something like that could *absolutely* cause a “reasonable person” to be in fear for his/her life....and therein lies the justification (moral and legal) for the use of deadly force.
A pastor who can't tell the difference between murder and self-defense.
If he should manage to live, he can be charged for felony murder of his accomplice.
Felony Murder is a capital crime in Florida, exposing him to the death penalty.
And the lives of the people these thugs would have killed in subsequent armed robberies.
Armed robberies, if successful, are like Frito-Lay chips for criminals: they can't commit just one.
While he's in the hospital he can get very used to having needles inserted.
I'm going to quibble. Your right to defend yourself can be abridged or infringed upon, but it can't be 'taken away'.
You have an inherent right to defend yourself.
Carry on.
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Theses stooges need to be locked up themselves for being idiots.
Two black thugs, armed, go into a store to rob everyone, terrifying the entire place, and, after they are shot, the family pretends they were really just good boys and that the man who shot them should be in jail. And I’m sure they have more support within the black (and white guilt) community that anyone would like to admit. I suspect that at root, these indignant blabk folk do not think white folk have a right to fight back, that owing to years of racism, whites should simply resign themselves to the occasional armed robbery.
You’re right. I lived in Lee County (Captiva/Sanibel/Fort Myers) for three years. They wonder why people will not develop in these areas like Immokalee, North Ft. Myers, etc.
Game, set, match. Bang, bang, you are dead.
If you tried to rob the shop unarmed, you probably shouldn't get shot...but you might. If you try to rob the shop armed, you get what you gave, free and clear. It is sad we have been brought to this, but here goes. "It saved the city the cost of the trial."
"An armed society is a polite society."
------------------------------Lazarus Long
They also get encouragement from Jesse and Sharpton
Good work!
Wrong. Plenty of former Marines. Plenty of ex-Marines too: Ritter, Garwood, Lonetree, Carville, Dellums, Oswald, Glenn, Murtha, Dennehy, McFarlane, et al
There are some really stupid people who write for newspapers.
Those two clowns are busy here in Canton, I heard.
Good for him. Teach those hooligans a lesson.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
“But the men’s friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.”
And I’m sure the wolf feels wronged by the shepherd. As I stated on another thread. Some folks think they have the right to prey on others.
Probably one of those forty-five year old grammas...
Yeah Grammy sure didn’t waste any time getting out the “turning his life around” speech, huh. It’s so laughably predictable.
And who here doesn’t think that the citizens of Plantation are now safer because Lovell gave wannabee crooks and felons something to think about. Talk about a crime deterrant.
bump for an ex-Marine taking care of garbage in his community!
I’m actually OK with that depending on the conviction, the time elapsed since the sentencing, and the overall profile of the person.
But he was a good boy.(s
!! WHY !! do these idiot journalist ask the perp’s family to verbally contribute to the story?
Talk about your biased reporting...
1) Grandparents? Why couldn't they contact the parents for a comment?
2) Perhaps they should be asked what brought their grandchild to the point he was holding up a sandwich shop, and how they or his missing parents may have failed the young perp to the degree that he was committing felonies.
4) For that matter mam, as wife of a pastor, how about the Commandment that says, "Thou Shalt Not Steal"?
4) Would they have felt better about it if their grandson had done the killing, as he seemed prepared to do?
4) On the whole, Rosa, wouldn't it have worked out better for him if he had walked into the shop and asked for a job application rather than pulling a gun and trying to steal money from those who worked for it?
Put me down as a racist here, but look at the names of the three (!) authors of the article. None of them know the struggles of the white man *cough*.
Ha! I read the article on the 72 year old Marine who punched that guy out. My two favorite parts were “...blood everywhere...” and the one you alluded to, about the reason he beat the guy up was that his wife would have been all over him if he allowed his money to be stolen!
In every one of these self-defense cases the perps are always called 'good boys' by the family, even though they have a rap sheet a mile long.
The mistake these two 'good boys' made was not knowing there are many dogs among the sheep prepared to kill the wolves if necessary.
Score one for the GOOD GUYS. Go get ‘em!
In my book, “gun control” means using the minimum amount of ammunition it takes to reduce the threat level of the target.
I guess he died with a borrowed gun in his hand.
Alright, I can’t number worth a darn! ;)
If the second punk doesn’t die, Mr. Lovell should be charged with not finishing the job. Other than that, great job!
Where were these men's "friends and family" when these men were leading lives of crime and violence? Too much work for them I suppose but they're happy to bleat into a microphone.
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