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And let me add to our discussion - That RR did not lead on Soc Sec. That he increased FICA taxes on all Americans (and businesses)at at time when the system was at a more manageable level.....That doesn't mean I believe him to be a bad POTUS. Or a sellout. Or not a "true" conservative.

So tell me, what should RR have done in 1983 with SS running in the red? What was politically possible with the Dems holding an overwhelming majority in the House?

I told you. I believe he should have held firm. Not increased FICA taxes and shown the Soc Sec system for what it is....A ponzi scheme from which the Fed Gov't gains power and a constituency (while stealing tremendous wealth from each and every family). He should have talked up private accounts over and over, he was popular, the problem was at a much more manageable level....yet he took the easy route and pushed what he KNEW was going to be a tremendous problem down the road.

But here is what shows you hold GWB to one standard (a higher one) and RR to a much lower one.

You point out how RR gave amnesty to all illegals in 86 (one time event) and GWB should have LEARNED from this mistake. That he didn't shows him to be a sellout, blah, blah, blah.

Yet within this very same discussion you and I have been having you openly acknowledge (as an excuse for RR) that the failed notion of raising FICA taxes (some 40 times PRIOR to RR) never solved a d*mn thing....other then to further burden the next generations into the wealth stealing scheme of Soc Sec.

So where RR had 40 opportunities to learn from....Ahh, no, he just made a mistake continuing to do the same. Yet, where GWB only had one mistake to learn from, to use a a reference....HE SHOULD HAVE LEARNED! D*mnit! That RR had over 40 chances to learn...Hogwash, he was a true conservative so he is given a free pass (even though he held a larger majority in the Senate for more years than did GWB).