Oswald 'had no time to fire all Kennedy bullets'

The Sunday Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6/30/2007 | Tim Shipman

[TigersEye]

It's a trick question/answer deal. Almost a stereotypical joke ~ if you get my drift.

The Italian Army could not load and fire 3 rounds in 19 seconds. Lee Harvey Oswald made sure that his first round was already loaded before he started the clock ticking was not Italian. /unPC

[The KG9 Kid]

The Dictabelt 'evidence' was born in 1978, died in 1982, rose from the dead in 2001 by the same goofball who swore it proved something, and was slain again in 2003. It records the radio activity of one Dallas PD radio channel over a minute after the shooting took place by a police motorcycle that wasn't even at Dealey Plaza at the time.

Conspiracists believed that brief moments of silence contained on the Dictabelt were evidence of the individual shots and even went so far to call them 'impulses', thereby creating something out of literally nothing.

Get up to speed here, please: Dictabelt evidence relating to the assassination of John F. Kennedy

Dictabelt has been impeached as evidence of conspiracy, RGPII.

[NCC-1701]

Something that I’ve always wondered about is this. Since the motorcade came down Main Street, turned right onto Houston Street and left onto Elm Street, why didn’t Oswald take advantage of the Houston to Elm turn and shoot him there? The motorcade was at a dead halt snd Kennedy was right below the window and the shots would have been so easy. One reason why he didn’t was the possibility of a shooter(s) waiting behind the fence on top of the grassy knoll. But we will never know because of the secrecy and the march of time has taken its toll on those involved.

[Scotsman will be Free]

I find it difficult to believe that it took the Italian army 19 seconds to fire three shots with a bolt action. On the other hand, it is the Italian army firing a WWII vintage Italian army rifle. They may have a point.

[RGPII]

Dictabelt has been impeached as evidence of conspiracy, RGPII

Don Thomas disagrees. He says the timing of the Dictabelt's sound impulses matches the Zapruder film's visual indications of gunfire. He cites a 4.8-second gap on the Dictabelt between what he views as the third and fourth shots. "On the Zapruder film, the gap between the crucial two shots is 4.8 seconds. Would random noises occur with that exact same timing ?" - Reader's Digest

Let's hope we hear of the restoration of dictabelt tape number 10.

[The KG9 Kid]

"... Something that I’ve always wondered about is this. Since the motorcade came down Main Street, turned right onto Houston Street and left onto Elm Street, why didn’t Oswald take advantage of the Houston to Elm turn and shoot him there? The motorcade was at a dead halt snd Kennedy was right below the window and the shots would have been so easy. One reason why he didn’t was the possibility of a shooter(s) waiting behind the fence on top of the grassy knoll."

You raise a very good and important question, but poorly conclude the reasoning.

The motorcade's slow left turn onto Elm practically right beneath Oswald's position is indeed one of the best opportunities for an initial shot. Far better than the oncoming long shot down Houston after the motorcade turned right from Main street, but equally as good as the behind shots taken after the motorcade had passed Oswald's position.

Why you conclude incorrectly Oswald's reasoning for not shooting at this moment is because of two things: Chiefly, because the alleged Grassy Knoll position is one of the worst positions in all of Dealey Plaza to shoot from, and secondly because we presume that Oswald fully intended to escape. The direct downward shot at the corner of Houston and Elm is a very good shot for a suicide sniper not intending to evade capture, but is a dead giveaway for someone intending to flee Dealey Plaza, as Oswald very successfully did.

If you would like to see what I mean, I have a link for PC simulation abandonware for you that you may download:

Home Of The Underdogs host: 'JFK Reloaded'

It's a safe and virus/trojan free download and a compelling and meticulously-researched simulation that generated a lot of controversy when it was released. I think that after playing it using the various modeling simulations and virtual camera angles, you will agree with me about the absolutely rotten position for an alleged 'Grassy Knoll' sniper.

[muawiyah]

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha~!!!!!

Old friend of mine (now deceased) spent part of WWII prosecuting draft-dodgers. He was sent all over the country doing that.

Said all of 'em were Italian.

He went on to become General Counsel in the Alaskan territorial government.

[Oztrich Boy]

*I much doubt whether this would indicate the fatal shot was actually fired from below.

So the guy in the sewer manhole didn;t fire the fatal shot then?

[tpaine]

Three rounds fired in the assassination, regardless of the speed of Zapruder's camera.

The facts provided by Zapruder's camera, and its speed, are crucial to your single bullet theory. Your theory doesn't fit those facts. Case open.

Three spent cartridges found in the sniper's nest. Evidence proves that the material in Kennedy's head is located entirely in the right side of his cranium. Particle analysis shows that the fragments came from the same bullets and same rifle. Oswald was a creepy left wing loser who had priors and present reasoning for motive. That's my position.

Yep.

What you protest is Specter's 'Magic Bullet Theory'.

You bet.

If you say that it didn't happen that way, then there's another shooter and at least one more bullet, isn't there? So, where is this extra bullet and extra shooter?

You tell me. - The Commission couldn't, and neither can any of you true believers.

If you believe that the shots all came from the TSBD, then did Oswald hand C2766 to 'Mystery Shooter X' so that they could take a turn?

You tell me. - The Commission couldn't, and neither can any of you SBT true believers.

That's what you never address, won't provide an answer for, and I don't believe that you will address it now.

How weird. you cited this post of mine from a month ago:

You know what? Never mind all that. Just tell us where your magic bullet is. That one that killed Kennedy that Oswald didn't fire.

I'm not disputing that the last bullet fired could have come from the depository. Or that Oswald could have fired it. -- Never have.

Where. Is. Your. Extra. Bullet? Answer. The. Question.

I 'have' an extra bullet? Where did you get that idea? From Specter?
-- His theory sure lacks something, I'll grant you fellas that.
211 posted on 06/05/2007 9:09:10 AM PDT by tpaine

That's what I mean when I say that you just say 'Nope, nope. Didn't happen that way. Specter's a crook.' and consider yourself satisfied that you've answered the question. Account for the way the assassination really happened, please.

I don't know, and neither do you or the Warren Commission .

If all you can say is 'I don't know for sure, and neither do you', then we're done ever discussing this again with one another, aren't we?

Suit yourself, but I doubt that you will stop insisting the single bullet theory proves 'case closed'.
I say it has flaws, and I will continue to say so.
If you can't discuss/counter the facts/issues I raise, feel free to ignore those facts.
- Which is essentially what you fellas did at the end of last months thread, cited above. -- Apparently, it's all y'all can do.

[The KG9 Kid]

Dr. Thomas started this silly mess about the Dictabelt and quite understandably harbors resentment about his baby being aborted two times in a row.

Dictabelt #10 is also in ruins in the national archive. Dictabelt's soft vinyl material was intended to be used once, stored for a short time, and then discarded. I believe that the high tech digital restoration technique currently being performed on it (if the project still exists) will produce a very high quality digital image of a very awful degraded recording from Dallas, 1963.

If they clean it up to where they claim that they have restored it to brand new, I wouldn't buy the claim any more than a Hollywood plastic surgeon claims that he's restored Liza Minelli's gay ex-husband's face to brand new.

Either way, whether it's restored or unrecoverable, this element of the manufactured JFK conspiracy will go on and on and on and on in the minds of conspiracy buffs.

I think it's several decades overdue to declare the 1982 conclusion that the Dictabelt recording shows no evidence of conspiracy no matter how much Dr. Don Thomas wants it to.

[The KG9 Kid]

No, tpaine, you tell me.

[NCC-1701]

I just said that there was a possibility of a shooter(s) behind the fence. But you, me, and the cat up the street will never know. But it’s been nearly 43 years so who knows. It happened, it’s over, and life has moved on.

[spanalot]

“One of the Carcano website mention a seven pound trigger that’s crisp and the owner was very pleased with it. Funny how all the other website owners like the little rifle”

Funny how you really want to put alot of spin on this subject.

The Carcano trigger is GARBAGE.
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Anyone tried to smooth and lighten the trigger pull on a Model 38. It is so heavy that it feels like it will never let loose, and gritty. Gentleben

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Chet Haney

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The Carcano is like any other Military rifle, the trigger pull was not made for target shooting. The engagement surfaces of the firing pin and sear can be straightened up with a stone and polished out with a Dremel tool. The camming surfaces of the bolt usually have some heavy tool marks in the later models also.

[The KG9 Kid]

No, see. There is no evidence of a second shooter behind the fence.

If there is, where is it?

How do you know a CIA sniper didn't shoot Reagan instead of John Hinckley? It's been nearly 27 years so who knows? It's happened, it's over, and life has moved on. The cat up the street will never know.

Thanks for keeping the beacon of irrational left wing conspiracy theories lit for the intellectually lazy stumbling around in the dark.

[spanalot]

“The direct downward shot at the corner of Houston and Elm is a very good shot for a suicide sniper not intending to evade capture,”

Well if I wanted to escape, I would set up for a guaranteed one shot kill to a full frontal torso target AND NOT 3 SHOTS AT THE HEAD ONLY- GOING AWAY.

[spanalot]

“How do you know a CIA sniper didn’t shoot Reagan instead of John Hinckley?”

Because he was subdued at the scene with the weapon that fired the shots.

[The KG9 Kid]

Alright, but that's you. But see, Oswald took three shots and successfully fled Dealey Plaza.

[tpaine]

Kid, the burden of proof is on the prosecution - the Commission. You believe their single bullet theory. - You tell me.

[The KG9 Kid]

... So the RIGHT WING MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX would have us believe. Notice how they quashed any detailed forensic report from coming out about the attempted Reagan assassination?

Does their evil know no bounds?

[spanalot]

Zapruder clearly shows Connelly unaffected after the neck shot.

There is the proof of the extra assassin.