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What's the Rush?
ProLifeblogs ^ | June 27 2007 | plb

Posted on 07/01/2007 3:27:40 AM PDT by 8mmMauser

Edited on 07/02/2007 4:50:59 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

That's the question Bobby Schindler asked in the case involving Jesse Ramirez, the Arizona man whose case paralleled that of Schindler's sister, Terri Schiavo, until Ramirez woke up. The Arizona Republic reports:

...Bobby Schindler of the Florida-based Terri Schindler Shiavo Foundation placed the blame on a medical establishment quick to dismiss patients with brain injuries.

Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who died in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

"What is the rush?" he asked. "This is not the first time we've heard of cases like this where doctors want to write off the chance of recovery, and the family, when they're told this, will make a decision to end a person's life.

"In the case of Mr. Ramirez, he'd be dead now."

Why is Jesse alive? His family sought legal intervention with the help of the Alliance Defense Fund:
His siblings and parents refused to give him up for dead, and today, Jesse Ramirez is alive and conscious.

Two weeks ago, he was the center of a family battling over of whether he should live or die.

Now, he can hug and kiss, nod his head, answer yes and no questions, give a thumbs-up sign and sit in a chair.

Related:

A Miracle for Jesse Ramirez and His Family

Jesse Ramirez Conscious, Moved To Rehab Facility

Accident victim awakens


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: civilrights; giannajessen; jebbush; jesseramirez; jgreer; medialies; parentsrights; schindler; terridailies; terrischiavo
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Nurses Investigated In Oregon Assisted Suicide Case - Killed Patient Without a Physician

And the law enforcement crowd are scratching their heads, wondering whether the nurses did anything wrong.

That's the thing about liberal law-bending. They write a murder license into the law, call it "merciful," and the next thing you know, it's an extermination factory that would make the SS einsatzgruppen proud.

181 posted on 07/10/2007 6:29:56 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Missouri Bans Planned Parenthood from School Sex Ed Classes

It's a start, anyway. Next they should ban sex ed classes and escort the Planned Parent people out of town on a rail wearing tar, feathers and pink condoms.

182 posted on 07/10/2007 6:33:47 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: T'wit
>> I see no hope here, ever.

Didn’t Clinton hail from a little town in Arkansas by that name? Little Hope.

Ahh, Massatwoschits. I seem to remember at the Lexington and Concord reenactments, the actors had to have trigger locks on their muskets. I could be wrong...

Yet, I am there a lot, so can ratify so much as true.

183 posted on 07/10/2007 6:41:38 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Glad I could help, and it’s going to be tough for the antiTerribots to spin with so many people who have nothing to gain except to get at the truth.


184 posted on 07/10/2007 6:58:12 AM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there. http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: 8mmMauser

BUMP


185 posted on 07/10/2007 10:23:18 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Sun
"antiTerribots"

When you say "antiTerribots", do you mean people who are against "Terribots"? So then who are the "Terribots"? And what puts a person into each group? Sorry to ask so many questions, but I want to be sure I understand! Thanks!

186 posted on 07/10/2007 2:34:39 PM PDT by kozokey
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To: aruanan
I would call it murder.

BTW, I have come across a few stories where doctors have given up hope and yet the patient recovers. We should always err in favor of life.

187 posted on 07/10/2007 3:59:41 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: kozokey; Sun; BykrBayb; T'wit; wagglebee; bjs1779

Glad you asked, kozokey...

As Sun isn’t here at the moment, perhaps I can help.

Those of us who fought for Terri’s life and thought it was wrong to kill her were derisively slurred as “bots” by supporters of the killing team. If you are familiar with the technical terms and also the root which could infer mindless functionary as in roBOT or maybe an imitation human, you will see the meaning. They, who define themselves as our opposites, applied this moniker liberally to any who sympathized with Terri’s plight.

Hence, we who are true conservatives following the lead of the founder of FreeRepublic, and believing in the sanctity of life, are targets for those slurs and are “Terribots” by their logic. Continuing simple logic, an antiTerribot is one of “them’, a troll or similar ilk, or one who is on the side of the killing team.

Posters on this forum are either for or against or are learning the truth, and in doing so are becoming “Terribots.” We have found it rare indeed that one visits a topic such as this on a frequent basis is truly neutral. Although you have been a member here a short time, unless here under a different name before, you have contributed mostly to Terri-related topics, we presume, to educate yourself. Well, you are in luck as recently we have posted tons of links to sites sure to enlighten.

So we may have (in trolltalk) “Terribots” here, or antiTerribots or some who are just Terri-fied. Personally, I find it offensive to be called a bot regardless.

We are just chock full of help and info right here as close as your keyboard.

Hope it helps. Just keep asking questions and we are sure to enlighten.

8mm


188 posted on 07/10/2007 5:00:09 PM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; kozokey; Sun; BykrBayb; T'wit; bjs1779
Wow! I half expected you to call kozokey "grasshopper."

There are only three groups in this struggle:
- The Satanic culture of death who embraces death in all circumstances.
- Those of us who are pro-life and oppose the Satanic culture of death in all of its manifestations.
- And those who do not have all of the information and cannot or will not decide.

And we are in an epic struggle for the souls of this third group. And while there is death in me, I will continue to speak the truth and I don't give a damn what the death culters call me.

Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called children of God. Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you. You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt lose its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is good for nothing any more but to be cast out, and to be trodden on by men. You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house.
-- Matthew 5:

189 posted on 07/10/2007 5:13:04 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser; kozokey; Sun; BykrBayb; T'wit; bjs1779

Correction, that was Matthew 5:6-15


190 posted on 07/10/2007 5:14:23 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Didn’t Clinton hail from a little town in Arkansas by that name? Little Hope.

Once upon a time, long ago, a Washington TIMES columnist held a little private contest to pick a title for Slick Willie's future autobiography. My contribution was Beyond Hope. It was a winner :-)

191 posted on 07/10/2007 6:21:25 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: T'wit

Congrats! There is still hope for us.


192 posted on 07/11/2007 3:10:42 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Accuracy in Media takes a look at "progressives". As we come to expect, Terri's Legacy is in the forefront.

Although "compassionate conservative" George W. Bush presides over an economy that boasts a lower unemployment rate than that of his predecessor, who was a self-described "progressive," progressives argue that their philosophy has been proven to be sound.

“Conservatism has failed, Americans seek new direction, Progressives must step up,” was the resounding call to arms at the Take Back America conference last week. Robert Borosage, co-director of the Campaign for America’s Future, enlightened and stirred the Opening Plenary attendees with an outline of conservative failures, beginning with a spread of Republican leader portraits, methodically X’ed out with red graphics.

“The right got it wrong, in Katrina, in Iraq, with Terri Schiavo, and the assault on social security.” The host communicated the problem of public disapproval of the current state and direction that the country is headed on issues of national importance:

Progressives Gone Wild

8mm


193 posted on 07/11/2007 3:40:02 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; TChris; TheSpottedOwl
Thread from TChris on a murdering father...

Thanks to TheSpottedOwl.

PROVO - The beating death of 20-month-old Jordan Putnam included "severe physical abuse indicative of physical torture," prosecutors said Monday as part of their request to keep the toddler's father in jail without bail.

Prosecutors also argued that a no-bail hold on Jason Mike Putnam would ensure the safety of the defendant, who has attempted suicide in the past.

Father Charged: 'Physical torture' cited in beating death of toddler [Utah]

8mm

194 posted on 07/11/2007 3:54:28 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Seems some doctors just do not (will not) see the difference between snuffing out a life as a medical procedure and murder.

Thread by wagglebee.

ABERDEEN, Scotland, July 10, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The National Health Service Grampian (NHSG) is investigating a consultant neonatologist at NHSG's Aberdeen Maternity Hospital for hastening the death of two terminally ill babies by overdosing them with a muscle relaxant drug, the Scotsman reports.

In 2005 Dr. Michael Munro injected the dying babies with a huge dose of Pancuronium, a drug that is used in the lethal injection of US death row prisoners, although it is also a general medical anesthetic. While Munro has admitted to performing the deed, he denies that his actions were "inappropriate" or "below the standard."

Doctor Investigated for Hastening the Death of Two Terminally Ill Babies

8mm

195 posted on 07/11/2007 3:59:22 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
This irony continues to baffle me, to defy logic, but yet...

Thread from wagglebee.

DETROIT, July 10, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) once again rejected a pro-life resolution that would attempt to address the pressing issues of abortion and infant mortality in the American African community.

This July approximately 8,000 NAACP members met in Detroit for the organization's annual convention. While Saturday's major theme was improving access to heath care, NAACP authorities rejected the pro-life resolution of the Macon, Georgia, chapter for the second time since 2004.

NAACP Rejects Pro-Life Resolution Despite Abortion's Grave Impact on African Americans

8mm

196 posted on 07/11/2007 4:03:01 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
I just heard last evening Neil Cavuto discussing on Fox News how proposed health care by the libs, (Hillarycare, etc.) as in Canada and England, causes a shortage of qualified doctors, lowered standards to import such doctors as showed up at Glasgow Airport. The presumption is that an advocated health care would open the gates to terrorist doctors like those.

Thread by wagglebee.

The recent terror attacks on the U.K. presented the world with a cruel irony. Amongst those suspected of masterminding the series of attacks, that, had they been successful, could have killed hundreds of civilians and injured hundreds more, were up to seven respected members of the medical community--physicians, or physicians in training, including a specialist in neurology.

The irony of the situation was brought home most chillingly in a cryptic threat received some months ago by an Anglican cleric who was doing ministry in Iraq: "The people who cure you will kill you." At the time the cleric ignored the message as just another amongst the countless idle threats from Muslim extremists that he received on a daily basis, unaware of just how literal the words were, how real the threat was.

The Cruelest Irony of All - When "Those Who Heal You Will Kill You"

8mm

197 posted on 07/11/2007 4:10:39 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

It has been a hundred years since progressives believed in progress. They turned reactionary and anti-development long ago, yet still style themselves “progressive” — possibly because the term is less besmirched than communist, socialist, maoist, leninist, marxist, liberal, animal right activists, greens, or any other term meaning collectivist and anti-American.


198 posted on 07/11/2007 4:23:10 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> The Cruelest Irony of All - When "Those Who Heal You Will Kill You"

We have 'way too much of that going on here, in a subtler form of terrorism called "right to die."

199 posted on 07/11/2007 4:25:28 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser
No mystery. NAACP is a voice for socialism, not a voice for colored people.

When you accept socialism, you accept that life is meaningless and that you have to grab for anything you can while you're here. You accept abortion and euthanasia. You accept the murder of the weak and the helpless and the ill. These are cost-cutting measures that socialists imagine will add a few pennies to their paychecks.

200 posted on 07/11/2007 4:34:00 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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