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The idea of a national ritual - An American Haggadah - to connect us to the Founders Of 1776 and the deeds that brought our country into being and the principles that animate it should be reaffirmed annually by all Americans. Dennis Prager thinks we have a lot to learn from ancient Israel on how to preserve national identity down through the ages. Perhaps someone can create an American Haggadah for such a July 4th Seder as a national ritual to annually recall the Founding ideals of American Independence.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 07/02/2007 9:13:57 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

bfl


2 posted on 07/02/2007 9:20:55 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: goldstategop

I’m in complete agreement with this. From my young point of view one of the most damaging things to change in the US in the last 40 years was the attitude of having pillars of history. Now all we hear about is how un-politically correct our ancestors were.

I need to start celebrating memorial day right too.


3 posted on 07/02/2007 9:21:22 PM PDT by Shion (Hunter 2008! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: goldstategop
Perhaps someone can create an American Haggadah for such a July 4th Seder as a national ritual to annually recall the Founding ideals of American Independence.

This isn't exactly the same thing, but every 4th of July we gather at my uncle's rural property. Everyone brings food, and my uncle or someone else often reads something like the essay (don't know who wrote it but it's probably familiar) about the personal price paid by all the signers of the Declaration of Independence. A couple of years ago, my husband bought flags and found out about the military history of all the gentlemen present, and read their names out and mentioned their service records, and thanked them, and gave each a flag.

4 posted on 07/02/2007 9:38:46 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: goldstategop

I suggest that EVERYONE read and understand the simple, brief language of the Declaration of Independence, and consider it in the context of what we current;y suffer from our government overlords:


When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

— John Hancock

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton


5 posted on 07/02/2007 9:47:16 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: goldstategop

This is a WONDERFUL idea. I actually DO read certain things to my kids before the 4th. But it would be great if we could have such a thing: they would never be standard, because even the Jewish Passover Haggadot are not standard. There are long, drawn out Orthodox ones with nothing left out that make a seder last for hours and hours. There are liberal feminist ones. There are short and sweet ones. We have some in our house that are great for kids, with cute songs to sing, etc.

The only thing is, there are of course so many Americans who really just want to get the party on and forget at all why we celebrate. They wouldn’t buy the book or even take a free one from Folger’s Coffee.


7 posted on 07/02/2007 10:04:58 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: goldstategop; Yaelle
This sounds like a good idea thrown out by Dennis Prager.

We won't all have to read from the exact same "Haggadah", but the text can simply be a brief recounting of the history of the colonial period, culminating in the Declaration of Independence, whose entire text should be recited and discussed by the family at the dinner table. It could include a few prayers for liberty and for those who have fought and still fight for it around the world.

9 posted on 07/02/2007 10:32:33 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: goldstategop

1 THANKS for posting this. You get an attaboy
ATTABOY
2 In reading the reply here it strikes me that we do have a national ritual..an American Haggadah. Not an official one, but one in keeping with the individualism that’s ingrained in our souls.
3 HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO US.


10 posted on 07/03/2007 6:23:46 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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Ping!


11 posted on 07/03/2007 8:06:09 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: goldstategop

I was at a celebration the other day where the Declaration of Independence was read. It was very moving. And we ate picnic food together. It was almost a “bonding” experience. It reminded me of what old fashioned 4th of July celebrations are supposed to be like.


13 posted on 07/03/2007 9:27:54 AM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: goldstategop
The idea of a national ritual - An American Haggadah - to connect us to the Founders Of 1776 and the deeds that brought our country into being and the principles that animate it should be reaffirmed annually by all Americans.

No thanks. The ones who need it wouldn't participate. Hot dogs and firecrackers are good enough.

Americans have always lived their independence rather setting aside just one day a year to meditate on it. It's too complicated and personal to get into a detailed explanation here. Suffice to say that my boys will be celebrating their July 4 with a nice little IDPA shoot at a local range.

That said, it wouldn't hurt to put the US of A back into the school curriculum, and require the Seder idea or something similar for prospective citizens throughout their waiting period, along with required classes in English. And build a fence.

Happy 4th of July.
14 posted on 07/03/2007 10:35:29 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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