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To: Bryan24
If you are an atheistic evolutionist, then you go back to a point in time where something came from nothing. Absolutely impossible by every law of physics. If your theory has a starting point that is impossible, all that follows is impossible.

Not true. The beginning is undefined. That does not mean impossible. It is wise to remember that nature doesn't obey physics. Instead physics models what we think that nature does. As a physicist I deal all the time with undefined situations. Sometimes you can use different mathematical methods to define a point which is undefined in another. A classic example is the divergence of something that is proportional to the inverse square of its displacement (written f(r)=(1/r²)*r^ or r/r³ where r^ (the ^ is supposed to be on top) is the unit vector in the direction of r). If you take the divergence of this value you will get zero, but if you use the divergence theorem (which is a surface integral around the point) you will get 4π. The problem here is that the function doesn't behave at r=0. Physicists solve this by introducing a functional called the Dirac Delta Function which assigns the zero point a value. There are tons of physical situations just like this. If you are a mathematician you will recognize that this means that physics does not live in L². Again you need to remember that physics doesn't tell nature how to work, it only describes it the best that we know how. A simpler case that is taught in introductory calculus courses is the function f(x)=sin(x)/x. At what value is this function at 0? With one mathematical method I would say that it is undefined (0/0). With another I would say that it approaches 1.

To be perfectly honest though, my divergence example wasn't undefined in the mathematical sense, it was just wrong with the assumption that it lived strictly in L² where the Dirac Delta Function cannot exist.

81 posted on 07/05/2007 12:59:00 PM PDT by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: burzum

So, the evolutionist bases his THEORY on Laws of Physics that he admits are not completely defined and may well be changing? A theory based on an assumption?

IF the beginning is undefined, then why is it not well within reason that a divine being created the universe?

- Evolutionists don’t know where the matter came from
- Evolutionists don’t know how old it is
- Evolutionists don’t know what state it was in before your theory starts
- Evolutionists don’t know who, how, why or when the current Laws of Physics that we rely on came into existence.
- Evolutionists don’t know if the current Laws of Physics have always been the same, and have NO WAY of knowing if they ever changed or how much they changed.

Yet, Evolutionists are telling me they know, AS FACT , what happened on earth 3 billion years ago?

I’m not a physisist. I’m an engineering technician with a healthy dose of common sense.

I have to deal in facts, standards, repeatability, reality. I look at what you just told me and conclude that you have undertaken to prove and purport as FACT a theory and are using parameters that are neither set nor completely defined.

In the engineering world, we call that GIGO.


82 posted on 07/05/2007 1:44:18 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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