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CA: Fire follies - Common sense missing in forest policy
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 7/5/07 | Editorial

Posted on 07/05/2007 1:17:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

The recent loss of more than 200 homes in the Angora fire near Lake Tahoe was another ugly reminder that California hasn't gotten its act together on forest policy.

As San Diego County residents know painfully well from fall 2003, when the Cedar and Paradise fires destroyed more than 2,400 homes, much of the state is at risk.

But long before 2003, fire experts had zeroed in on the especially destructive possibilities of a wildfire in the Tahoe basin, where thousands of homes are built in forests that are vastly thicker than they were in the days when there were few homes and small blazes went unsuppressed, reducing the risk of much-bigger fires.

In 1998, these warnings finally paid off when the Clinton administration unveiled a plan to use controlled burns and forest thinning to head off a devastating blaze. But a not-so-funny thing happened: The plan essentially went ignored as affected homeowners balked at its inconveniences, bureaucracies squabbled and – incredibly – green activists slammed thinning as an assault on the environment.

The result, as Lake Tahoe homeowner Richard Carlson complained in the San Francisco Chronicle: “Unless you go through an insanely complex, expensive and lengthy permit process, you can't touch a tree that's larger than 6 inches in diameter, even if it's next to your house.”

San Diego County, thankfully, learned from its 2003 nightmare and has a much wiser policy. But obstacles to fire prevention are still common around the state.

This is why, as we enter a particularly ominous wildfire season, it's obvious we need a new era of common sense on forest policy – one in which homeowners work to protect themselves by taking care of their own property; bureaucracies cooperate by allowing thinning and doing thinning programs of their own; and greens accept thinning as sensible. Otherwise, horrific wildfires will come to seem a painful but routine part of California life.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; commonsense; forest; missing; policy; tahoe; wildfire

1 posted on 07/05/2007 1:17:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

I wonder, now, if I could design a fireproof house.


2 posted on 07/05/2007 1:21:44 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: NormsRevenge
This is why, as we enter a particularly ominous wildfire season, it's obvious we need a new era of common sense on forest policy – one in which homeowners work to protect themselves by taking care of their own property; bureaucracies cooperate by allowing thinning and doing thinning programs of their own; and greens accept thinning as sensible.

Gosh, I wonder where they might find such a policy?

3 posted on 07/05/2007 1:23:58 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Yep, and Algore was suppose to improve Airline security after TWA800 and we all know how that turned out.
4 posted on 07/05/2007 1:24:48 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: NormsRevenge

The states of Nevada and California and the federal government need to quit passing laws that cannot be financed. Or should it be that they REFUSE to finance.

If the gov’t cannot keep the forests in the Tahoe Basin clean then get the hell out and privatize the land. Let anybody do the job they refuse to do.


5 posted on 07/05/2007 1:25:33 PM PDT by Fred (Democrat Party - "The Nadir of Nihilism")
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To: patton

How about concrete siding???


6 posted on 07/05/2007 1:26:22 PM PDT by Fred (Democrat Party - "The Nadir of Nihilism")
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To: Fred

There is a house on my block with concrete siding - all the same, it is a wood frame house, and with time, would burn.

More like an outer layer of brick, a middle layer of hollow block vented at the top, and an inner layer of rebar-reenforced concrete, with a steel structure inside. Use steel I-beams for the structure, and steel studs for the walls/partitions, and build the stairwells, etc, of stone.

Oh, and put the main entry on the second floor, with a stone stairwell leading up to it, on the outside of the house. This increases standoff.

And make it round.

Heck, this peel tower would withstand the hurricane in NOLA, more less a fire.

LOL.


7 posted on 07/05/2007 1:33:05 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: Fred
If the gov’t cannot keep the forests in the Tahoe Basin clean then get the hell out and privatize the land. Let anybody do the job they refuse to do.

That's part of the problem--as the article alludes to, there are so many regulatory bodies at Tahoe dictating what a property owner can and can't do--the US Forest Service, BLM, and one of the worst, the TRPA (Tahoe Regional Planning Authority), which is like a lake-wide homeowner's association.

Then you have the watermelons to contend with. They don't want a single tree cut in the "pristine" forests, yet the forests in the Sierras aren't pristine. The old growth forest was cut down long ago and replaced with a dense forest you see today. IOW, the forests in the Sierras were customized for logging, yet they can't be logged anymore thanks to the watermelons. The only recourse for the forest is to burn, and that's what happens.

8 posted on 07/05/2007 1:34:58 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: NormsRevenge
What's the before and after land values of government land ravaged by fire? Had the government not been negligent the fire damage would have been less severe. How much less costly the damage would have been, is how much government negligence cost the taxpayers? Plus there's those that suffered the greatest loss -- burned-out homeowners that were victims of government negligence. As well, the insurance companies that insured the homes. Albeit, the insurance companies pass the cost onto consumers in the form of higher prices and deductibles. 

Follow the money. Who were the winners of the government negligence?

9 posted on 07/05/2007 1:46:54 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Considering the implications in the age of terror, I do not understand why fighting fires is not elevated to a federal or military level of somekind. Terrrorists could set the state ablaze easily during a good Santa Ana wind.

There should be things like this available...

Evergreen 747........


10 posted on 07/05/2007 2:01:40 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares

The 747 makes a nice photo-op, but...

The DC-10, operating on a Kern County fire two weeks ago, hit a down-draft, clipped some trees, and came within a few yards of feeding the fire with the large fire-ball that would have been caused by its crash. Wildfire conditions need slow-moving, agile, aircraft. Heavies just aren’t suited for that use.

Maybe for a grass fire in the midwest, or something....


11 posted on 07/05/2007 2:23:00 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: Zon
Precisely!!!! I know folks on the Nevada side of the Tahoe Basin governed by TRPA rules.

Their home is directly next to 40 acres of forest land that was "condemned" by TRPA (meaning that whoever owned it cannot build on it) which caused the owners to sell the land for NOTHING to the forest service(a insidious evil form of eminent domain).

The forest service has no budget to clean the land and remove the dead trees. They expect the homeowners in the vicinity to apply for GRANTS (who the hell came up with this???) for funding to have the land cleaned.

Once this hokey grant is approved after some desperate homeowners get the approval, ENTER TRPA...TRPA decides which trees are cut down and what permits are needed.

What follows is surreal, the local fire departments and TRPA start fighting over what can and cannot be removed....
Guess which org is for the most effect method of clearing and preventing fires????
12 posted on 07/05/2007 2:43:13 PM PDT by Fred (Democrat Party - "The Nadir of Nihilism")
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To: Fred

For years I have said the major problem with clear cutting is the appearance of the land afterwards. Instead of cutting out a square or a rectangle from the forest, spill some coffee on the floor and whatever shape the spill takes is the shape of the next clear cut.

That way no two clear cuts would be instantly identifiable from 2000 feet with the naked eye. As soon as the natural grasses take hold, in one year or less it wouldn’t be instantly identifiable from 1000 feet with the naked eye.


13 posted on 07/05/2007 8:51:38 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Check out this website for the National Veterans Coalition http://www.nvets.org/)
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To: NormsRevenge
How about this from the front page of today SacramentoBEE
14 posted on 07/07/2007 12:11:51 PM PDT by SierraWasp (SIERRA REPUBLIC!!! (our 51st united state)(all of CA excluding coastal counties))
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To: NormsRevenge

What passes for environmental policy on the left is nothing more than social engineering. Many of their policies are actually antithetical to good environmental policy.


15 posted on 07/07/2007 12:18:19 PM PDT by Eva (I)
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To: NormsRevenge
Community fireproofing groups subsist on scarce federal funds"


Saturday, July 7, 2007

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Requests for aid from local fire safe councils have grown so much that of the nearly 340 grant proposals the state council received this year, it could only pay for 100. Last year, the gap between demand and available money was $26 million.

Californians BEGGING to get a mere pitance of their own money back to protect their homes...

THIS GRANT PROGRAM IS MORONIC!!!!
16 posted on 07/08/2007 10:20:01 AM PDT by Fred (Democrat Party - "The Nadir of Nihilism")
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To: patton

One way would be an underground house completely covered except for the front. Most of the exposed surface could be concrete or brick. Also very energy efficient.


17 posted on 07/08/2007 10:38:15 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (A patriot will cast their vote in the manner most likely to deny power to democrats.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Yes - but I don’t want to live in a cave.


18 posted on 07/08/2007 10:46:36 AM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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